9/11 Attack -- Liberals to Blame

[OT]

Liberals should shoulder most of the blame – well aside from the evil terrorists themselves. These terrorists rode into our country on affirmative action. For example, we actually had surveillance on some of the 9/11 terrorists (prior to 9/11) and wanted to arrest them. However, because a liberal Clinton-appointed judge turned down the FBI’s request on search and arrest warrants we did not stop them.

[ACCtuary]

As long as we're engaging in childish blaming..

I blame Logan airport. There will always be kooks in the world, but I think we need to spend money for *real* security.

[Gore Tree Lover]

this is all pretty stupid, if we uncovered the WTC before it happened. There would have been another attack down the road eventually. The FBI has got lucky in the past (think Millenium plot - foiled by an fat lady at the Border who got lucky). Think of Yusef blowing up his apartment in the process of plotting to bring down 13 American planes over the Pacific.

[42]

Right on, OT! And while we're at it, let's not forget the feminists, homosexuals, and pagans. :roll:

[Double High C]

I knew that it was Rudy's fault.

Rudy Giuliani. A liberal.

(Paid for by the friends of Ron Lauder.)

[OT]

On 2001-10-16 17:33, AntiEverything wrote:
As long as we're engaging in childish blaming..



"Right wing conspiracy" thread blames the conservatives for Anthrax -- acceptable

But discussing the light-on crime liberal philosophy is “childish”.

[Patience]

OT: & you took that thread seriously??

[Rockhound]

Childish or not, OT has brought up and issue that the media is afraid to touch.

The revolving door immigration policy, that has been the mantra of the Left.

[OT]

If liberal Gore were president I can just hear him now, “We need to be sure that we do not infringe on the human and civil rights of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and members of the Taliban.”

[OT]

Many of the Sept 11 terrorists were in the US legally on like student visas.

We should also be pushing Canada to tighten their boarders both by was of enforcement and making it harder to get approval for entry (back ground checks, etc.).

[Mr. Grim]

Why don't we just build a big Berlin like wall around our country? Of course the immigration policy is to blame, it is always is. By the way, OT, are you of Indian descent or did your family arrive on the Mayflower?

[Mr. Grim]

I said Berlin-like wall. btw, did your ancestors move here before or after the Europeans found America.

[E. Blackadder]

So a Berlin-like wall would keep people like-in. Instead of in. Like, wow.

To answer your question, pick one.

1:If you want to know when my ancestors sold T-shirts to the pilgrims as they landed, I'll have to check the business records. But what's the point?

2:Would it matter if my parents were originally from the planet Xqslknt, and that I were an illegal space alien? Earthlings are so... species-ist! Even your liberals are so right-wing.

3:On the other hand, suppose I were the only descendant of the tribes the Amerinds wiped out as they brutally colonized the Americas about 15,000 years ago.

4:What does all this matter?

[Anonymous2]

Grim - don't you mean
1) Are you american indian, or
2) Are you american indian without taint by vikings that arrived here 3,000 years ago, or
3) Are you american indian pre bering straight land bridge tens of thousands of years ago?

The argument over who is native is irrelevant, if you were born here you are native. The argument over people's right to freedom of movement is the one that matters. Do the world's citizens allow governments the ability to decide who can go where and when? Letting immigrants in is an investment in the future health of the country. Immigrants who fight to get here usually work their buts off to make a good living to support thier family. Have you ever heard of an emigration problem? Not in the USA. Other countries bemoan the "brain drain" as their most educated people go to more capitalist and democratic places to seek a better life.

[Mr. Grim]

I am not arguing who is native. just that we are all relatives of immigrants so I don't understand the immigrant bashing that was going on earlier here ( i believe it was rockhound). obviously, if you are born here you don't relate but your relatives probably had the same venom thrown at them at some point from someone who was here first.

[Mr. Grim]

Further point, if you come here your allegiance should be to America not another state be it Puerto Rico or Israel.

[Mr. Grim]

I have also said in earlier discussion, we should invade Canada - further to someone's point on Canada earlier.

[Aaron Brachowitz]

On 2001-10-18 12:47, Grim wrote:
I have also said in earlier discussion, we should invade Canada - further to someone's point on Canada earlier.

Great, then we'll have wild-eyed Canadians flying planes into...whatever's left at that point, I guess.

[Mr. Grim]

yeah right, crazy Canadians. I am sure we can play the french versus the english to offset any anti-American furor.

[Voice of Ranting]

U.S. out of South Dakota!

[Mr. Grim]

Isn't South Dakota, one of the Canadian provinces? or is that North Dakota?

[Rockhound]

Besides the immigration policy, we can add the decline tin the moral and effectiveness of the US military, the neglect of the intellegence sytems and the devaluing of patriotism in America to the blame at the feet of the liberals.

[Damn, Dirty Ape]

Grim:"yeah right, crazy Canadians. I am sure we can play the french versus the english to offset any anti-American furor."

Just a question: I realize you're half-joking, but what's up with your attitude towards Canadians? Do you even know what you're talking about?

[Mr. Grim]

I know alot aboot Canadians. The McKenzie brothers taught me everything I need to know.

What is Canadian culture?

Canadians sitting around talking about how different they are from Americans. Basically, their culture is an anti-culture.

[Damn, Dirty Ape]

Actually, Canadians don't say "aboot", they say "abowt". And Americans say "aboat".

[Botsy]

How dare you say that all Americans speak a certain way? Some may say "aboat", others "abat", however, I say "abowt", and I'm sure that there are several other ways Americans pronounce the word. And Canadians do so say "aboot"!

[Griffin 1]

So, are we to have another "Correct Pronunciation" debate? Are "liberry", "jewelery" and "(I forgot the other one)" correct?

[Weatherman]

On 2001-10-19 12:18, Griffin wrote:
Are "liberry", "jewelery" and "(I forgot the other one)" correct?


No for "liberry" and yes for "jewelery" if you're trying to pronounce the word jewellery.

[Double High C]

Febyuary.

(It's still wrong as 2 left shoes!)

[Damn, Dirty Ape]

I think the third is "Nucular", as in related to an adom's nuculus. "Jewlery" is the pronunciation you are looking for.

Have you ever listened to a Canadian speak? I do, and I try to hear a-boot, and they just don't say it. They say abowt, but more exagerated than Americans, like ah-bah-out. Aboot was invented by Americans who couldn't figure out what Canadians were saying, but just knew it was different.

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{on soapbox}
d*mn Dirty Ape and Botsy both have valid points. There are several different American accents (Brooklyn, Boston, Apalachian, Texan, Valley Girl, etc.) as well as several different Canadian accents (Maritime, Quebecois, southern Ontario, prairie farmer, etc.). Despite these differences, the confusion over "about" stems from the fact that most Canadians have two distinct "ow" sounds, whereas most Americans have only one.

Most Americans pronounce the "ou" in the words noun, out, loud, and house in the same way. Most Canadians pronounce the "ou" in noun and loud one way, and the "ou" in out and house using the nasal "ou".

Anybody who has ever studied a foreign language as an adult knows that it is difficult to imitate a sound that you don't have in your native language. When Americans try to pronounce the nasal "ow" sound, it comes out as "aboot", something a Canadian would never say, unless he were talking about something on his foot. Thus, Canadians can honestly say that the only people who really say "aboot" are Americans!
Enoof sed.
{off soapbox}

[Griffin 1]

On 2001-10-19 12:38, Battery Park City wrote:
Febyuary.


That's right.



(It's still wrong as 2 left shoes!)


That's wrong.