Failed Siege of Fallujah

[Cirroc]

Link (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF03Ak01.html)


viet-fricken-nam is slowly beginning to sound like an astounding success.

anyway, this sucks i guess:

"Now we have none of the rebuilding which was promised, which people need so desperately in order to get their lives back in order," said Abdulla during a recent interview with Asia Times Online in Amman

[2pac Shakur]

Fallujah is as bad as anything Saddam did.

Why are we still in Iraq?

[2pac Shakur]

USA media would have you thinking Fallujah is just a bunch of "Saddam loyalists" that want the good life they had under Saddam.
As usual, that simplistic American good guy - everybody else bad guy - is COMPLETELY wrong.
So what did happen?

Well, after Baghdad fell, Fallujah was relatively quiet. Then the Americans came, promising democracy, and occupied the school, making it impossible to have class.
A group of parents went to complain. They were anxious to exercise these new freedoms that the "good" Americans promised they were here to bring.
When the parents approached the school, the troops opened fire. 18 parents lay dead (remember the Boston massacre? Facts are stubborn things?)
2 days later, the people of Fallujah tried to demonstrate - again - and were met with violence - again.
That led to the violence we are still seeing today.
Not the moranic simplistic explanation offered - they hate freedom.

But the generals certainly do know how resistance began in Falluja. On April 28 2003 US soldiers opened fire on parents and children demonstrating against the continued military occupation of their primary school - killing 18 of them in cold blood and injuring about 60 others. Until the killing of those demonstrators, not a single bullet had been fired at US soldiers in Falluja or any of the cities north of Baghdad. But, remorselessly, little-known Falluja became a world-renowned centre of defiance, where a poor and poorly armed people has courageously faced the military wing of the new empire.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1347540,00.html
http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=854795&postcount=1

[Cirroc]

I need to look for this article I found recently, making a comparison of the battle for Hue City in Vietnam..same situation, they were trying to rid the area of the VC et al...and actually did so in a few weeks with fewer casualties than we suffered in Fallujah in November 2004.

But Fallujah has never been secured in any way. Hue City was.

....looking for said article...

[2pac Shakur]

I need to look for this article I found recently, making a comparison of the battle for Hue City in Vietnam..same situation, they were trying to rid the area of the VC et al...and actually did so in a few weeks with fewer casualties than we suffered in Fallujah in November 2004.

But Fallujah has never been secured in any way. Hue City was.

....looking for said article...

Maybe Fallujah was more like My Lai?

[Cirroc]

Here is the article. I misquoted, we had fewer casualties this time, but we fought a smaller number of "enemy". My bad. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2111432/)


Either way, this is an interesting article to read. Provides somewhat of a statistical comparison between Viet-fricken-Nam and Icrap.

[glenn]

Why are we still in Iraq?
Weapons of MaProtecting our IntFreeing the Kur....hey, look over there! a dog sniffing it's butt!