Weight Watchers

[thing]

I'm eating this very inventive but still somehow unsatisfying lunch, and thinking this could be a pretty unhappy period in my life. Of course, if it works (meaning I get my weight down to ~180), I'll be happy about that...

[Titania]

You'll adjust.

When did you start? I found that about about a week or 10 days, I needed much less to feel full, or even satisfied.

If you're only eating 2 squares of chocolate a day instead of the entire bar, you really savor those 2 squares. After a week or two, those two squares are enough to satisfy.

I learned how to cook some great veggie dishes. I'd eat those on the days that I wanted a slice of pizza for dinner.

Pickles are a great way to satisfy salty-crunchy (preztel and chip) cravings.

Soup - not cream based - is a great way to have a nice hot lunch on a winter day, but not blow all your points in one meal. I really got into soup!

Oh yeah...I lost 35 pounds.

I gained about 13 back in the last 3 years (well, in the last 12 months) and I went back on it a couple weeks ago. I'm down 3 pounds already. By the end of February I should be good to go for a while.

[wat?]

I'm eating this very inventive but still somehow unsatisfying lunch, and thinking this could be a pretty unhappy period in my life. Of course, if it works (meaning I get my weight down to ~180), I'll be happy about that...

Could you describe "inventive"? I've been hounded by my other half to get healthier, and I'm wondering if this program is for me.

[ACCtuary]

Pickles are a great way to satisfy salty....cravings.


Psst. You like really large, thick Kosher Dills?

I appreciate the hints because I get very resentful that I only get the two squares and snarf the whole bar. Also, two days after weight tracking day, I stop tracking my points for some reason. Il faut manger pour vivre, et non pas vivre pour manger. Titania - did you ever read the Miser in your french classes?

Do you do the meetings or just the online stuff.

[Titania]

Psst. You like really large, thick Kosher Dills? I'm tryin' to get out, and they just PULL ME BACK IN!

I appreciate the hints because I get very resentful that I only get the two squares and snarf the whole bar. Also, two days after weight tracking day, I stop tracking my points for some reason. Il faut manger pour vivre, et non pas vivre pour manger. Titania - did you ever read the Miser in your french classes? Moliere?

Do you do the meetings or just the online stuff.
I just track it on my own. I'll go to the first couple meetings and then just start keeping a notebook.

My biggest issue with WW is the crappy fake recipes they give you....they make up this weird stuff so that you have MORE to eat for not many points. Those gross moon-pie things for instance. I'd rather eat two squares of good chocolate than 4 of those nasty Snackwells.

Another rule I had - if you're not enjoying what you're eating, don't eat it. Make everything you eat count.

Finally, remember this...nothing tastes as good as looking great in your favorite jeans feels!

[thing]

"inventive" is a meal suggested by my spouse's friend, for whom the program worked and who convinced my spouse that we should try it. Approximately one cup of this grain stuff that I can't remember the name of (qu-something) with a heap of vegetables and a mustard-vinegar sauce. 4 points! Mmmmm....

Today is day 1, officially.

We're working with hand-me-down materials, my sense is that meetings would have a negative impact on us...

[wat?]

You'll adjust.

When did you start? I found that about about a week or 10 days, I needed much less to feel full, or even satisfied.

I'd imagine this is the case in general - eat less, and you'll eventually have less of a craving. Is that right?

[Titania]

"inventive" is a meal suggested by my spouse's friend, for whom the program worked and who convinced my spouse that we should try it. Approximately one cup of this grain stuff that I can't remember the name of (qu-something) with a heap of vegetables and a mustard-vinegar sauce. 4 points! Mmmmm.... Quinoa? Good stuff. Pronounced (Keen-WAH.) It's one of the only vegetable sources that has all the amino acids contained in animal products...that is, you could only eat quinoa, and you'd never have to eat meat to get all the proteins you need.

Today is day 1, officially. Day 1 is rough. Stick with it. You'll find things you like that work for you. Take your points counter thing to the grocery store. Get a subscription to Cooking Light. Measure EVERYTHING.

We're working with hand-me-down materials, my sense is that meetings would have a negative impact on us...
Yeah, I hate the meetings. no need to go to that.

[Titania]

I'd imagine this is the case in general - eat less, and you'll eventually have less of a craving. Is that right?
Yeah, I think that's right.

[tommie frazier]

two points? for this? it's tiny!

get used to that too. but it does work. also make sure you take advantage of the exercise = more points. motivation is good.

[maegwin]

I had never really dieted before I tried the points system. I did it all from the fast food and complete points book. More than anything it showed me what and how much of things are good for me and how many bags of fat free microwave popcorn I could be having instead of a medium McDonalds fry. Between that and exercising I lost about 40 lbs. in 3 months.

I should dig those books out of the library. Time to start again.

[thing]

Quinoa?

That's the one! Thanks!

[ACCtuary]

Moliere?

Oui.
OK, OK. I'll keep it clean. Besides I'm married (happily, again) 10 years in April.



My biggest issue with WW is the crappy fake recipes they give you....they make up this weird stuff so that you have MORE to eat for not many points.

Finally, remember this...nothing tastes as good as looking great in your favorite jeans feels!

Interesting point about the recipes. Real moon pies don't taste all that great either. Either you love'em or you hate em.

Here' s a craving I had today. [ It wasn't for Kosher Dill pickles either, although that's a great idea. Good thing my wife likes them.]

Although I agree that you would probably look great in my favorite jeans, I must confess that sometimes this fails to motivate me. Today, the smell of the Colonel's 7 secret spices was just wafting through the air trying to pull me in. April, when I need to look good in my swimsuit seems awfully far away, and the weather in Philly now is as comforting as a cold crowbar.

Being around others trying to lose weight is probably the best way for me to stay on track.

[HangerAngler]

Quinoa? Good stuff. Pronounced (Keen-WAH.) It's one of the only vegetable sources that has all the amino acids contained in animal products...that is, you could only eat quinoa, and you'd never have to eat meat to get all the proteins you need.

That sounds amazing. Can you compare it to anything else texture-wise?? Got any decent recipes?

I just did a quick google of it and found...

"Nutritionally, quinoa might be considered a supergrain--although it is not really a grain, but the seed of a leafy plant that's distantly related to spinach. Quinoa has excellent reserves of protein, and unlike other grains, is not missing the amino aicd lysine, so the protein is more complete (a trait it shares with other "non-true" grains such as buckwheat and amaranth). The World Health Organization has rated the quality of protein in quinoa at least equivalent to that in milk. Quinoa offers more iron than other grains and contains high levels of potassium and riboflavin, as well as other B vitamins: B6, niacin, and thiamin. It is also a good source of magnesium, zinc, copper, and manganese, and has some folate (folic acid)."

This blurb mentions amaranth and buckwheat. I've tried amaranth recently, and I thought it was tasty just boiled with 2:1 water:grain. It gives little crunches sometimes, and it has a slight sweetness to it. Try that.

[Actuary321]

Just to brag a little. Today was our company sponsored weight loss program's final weigh in. The goal was loose 10 or 20 (you choose) over 16 or 17 weeks if you keep it off for a month beyond that you get to share the pot. Pot was $10 per person with a $10 company match then you had to loose 1 pound per week or be fined $3 that went into the pot. I started at 271.8 (after having lost 15 pounds in the preceeding 6 weeks before I found out about the contest). I ended at 247.6 and today I ended up at 246.4.

Only 5 of the original 16 or 17 made it so we split a pot worth nearly $600. Woohoo. They are going to start another one that my boss asked me to consult on to find a way that the amount of weight could be a percent above your "ideal" weight.

[Emily]

Just to brag a little. Today was our company sponsored weight loss program's final weigh in. The goal was loose 10 or 20 (you choose) over 16 or 17 weeks if you keep it off for a month beyond that you get to share the pot. Pot was $10 per person with a $10 company match then you had to loose 1 pound per week or be fined $3 that went into the pot. I started at 271.8 (after having lost 15 pounds in the preceeding 6 weeks before I found out about the contest). I ended at 247.6 and today I ended up at 246.4.

Only 5 of the original 16 or 17 made it so we split a pot worth nearly $600. Woohoo. They are going to start another one that my boss asked me to consult on to find a way that the amount of weight could be a percent above your "ideal" weight.
How many people are you? Just kidding. Congrats. Keep it up.

[Sandman]

I lost about 75 pounds with WW a few years ago (it took me about a year). I went part of the way back up, and it's been up and down since then, but I've never gone back up as high as I was.

[thing]

OMG. I just figured out why I'm so hungry.

The WW formula for points is to round off cal/50 + fat grams/12 - max(fiber grams, 4)/5.

I'm at 210 lbs, which gives me a quota of 26 points per day. Assuming 30% of calories from fat (and 9 cal/gram), maximizing fiber per eating, that translates to perhaps 1400 calories/day.

Using the very rough formula of daily calories = 14 * weight for sedentary people (and I'm not sedentary), that'll run me a 1600 calories/day deficit.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

[Brutè]

OMG. I just figured out why I'm so hungry.

The WW formula for points is to round off cal/50 + fat grams/12 - max(fiber grams, 4)/5.

I'm at 210 lbs, which gives me a quota of 26 points per day. Assuming 30% of calories from fat (and 9 cal/gram), maximizing fiber per eating, that translates to perhaps 1400 calories/day.

Using the very rough formula of daily calories = 14 * weight for sedentary people (and I'm not sedentary), that'll run me a 1600 calories/day deficit.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!Yeah, but you'll lose weight. You need to run a 500-1000 daily caloric deficit to lose weight. My wife has done the WW program and it worked very well for her (when she stuck with it). The key is sticking with it and not getting furstrated when you've done everything right and you go in for that weekly weigh-in and don't lose as much as you wanted, or maybe have even gained weight. In the long run, it works.

[dinosaur]

My wife did it and it worked great for her. She lost about 25 pounds I think in a little less than a year.

It's been over a year and she's kept it off. Of course, being a contractor and working in Baghdad, the military food isn't all that appetizing. She's done good though on changing her eating habits and regular exercise.

[Harbinger]

My mom did it and lost roughly 50 pounds. She has kept 95% of it off for the most part. I think the key is motivation, and discipline. It'l like Titania said: nothing tastes as good as looking good in your favorite jeans.

[micaelagb]

I've done it after having a baby to get rid of that extra 20 lbs. gained during pregnancy (that was still around after 2 months). Lost 15 lbs in 8 weeks this time--got lazy with the last five. I figure I'll start working on those around February (my winter clothes are about a size bigger than my summer ones, anyway).

My husband did WW with me after baby #2 and lost about 120 lbs. He took up bicycling and really exercised a lot, along with the dieting.

Edited to add:
Oh! Forgot to mention--we do WW online. They actually have some good recipies online--easy to make and taste good. I'll post a few if you like.

[dinosaur]

As a note, she did the "Flexibe" plan versus the "Traditional" one and that worked well for her.

I'm not sure what the difference was but she counted points every day but could eat whatever she wanted. There was no preset list of "acceptable" foods as long as you followed the point system.

[LoneGirl]

I've never tried it, but I have two close friends who did. They both lost somewhere around 30 pounds and have kept it off for a few years now. They both swear by it and say it is the easiest way to lose weight.

[thing]

I'll post a few if you like.

So long as they're vegetarian... :) Thanks!

Day 2: I started with a 3 egg-white omelet and a veggie sausage instead of the oatmeal I had yesterday. More filling, fewer points. Yesterday my spouse told me the fruit I ate was small enough to count as 2 points instead of 4, and I ended up with enough points left for desert.

So I'll adjust in another, what, 8 days? sigh...

[Titania]

Aw...hang in there! It's worth it once you see the results. :bighug:

Next week, you'll get weighed, and you'll see you lost a couple pounds (you usually drop quite a bit the first week.) That should motivate you through the 2nd week, and you'll have adjusted by then!

[Rocky]

My wife has done WW in the past. She said that sushi is a "bargain" on the points scale, so we had that for lunch/dinner at least once or twice a week.

[micaelagb]

So long as they're vegetarian... :) Thanks!

No problem! Husband is vegetarian (eats eggs & cheese, but no fish) so that's all I cook at home.

Japanese Noodles w/ Garlic Toasted Tofu (4 pts. per serving--makes 6 servings)

Cook 8 oz soba noodles and toss with 1 tbs tamari sauce. Stir-fry 8 oz firm tofu with garlic in 2 tsp sesame oil until golden. Add 1 cup snow peas (I use more--they're 0 pts) and 2 sliced carrots and saute another 2 minutes or so. Stir in 1/2 cup mirin (we've substituted rice wine vinegar by accident, and actually prefer it that way now). Add tofu mixture to noodles & toss to combine.

Mexican bean & tortilla pie (4 pts. per serving--makes 6 servings)

Mix together 1 cup tomato sauce, 3/4 cup salsa, 1/4 cup fresh cilantro (or sprinkle in some dried--probably 2 tsp or so), 2 tsp chili powder, and 1 tsp ground cumin. Mix 30 oz black beans w/ 8 oz diced chilis (that's pretty spicy--I use 4 oz when my kids are eating it) and mash. Grate 1/2 cup of low-fat cheddar cheese. Toast 5 6-inch tortillas. Put a little of the sauce mixture on the bottom of a shallow baking dish. Make 4 layers of: tortilla, sauce, beans, cheese. Top with the last tortilla, some sauce, & cheese (I usually use a little bigger tortilla & only do 2 or 3 layers). Bake, covered, at 400 degrees for 30 minutes. Uncover & bake 5 minutes more.

Easy Red beans & rice (6 pts. per serving--makes 6 servings)

Chop an onion & saute in 1 tbs oil until golden. Add 30 oz canned kidney beans (drained), 1 tbs dried thyme, 1 can light coconut milk, and 3 cups cooked brown rice (you can add salt here, too, or add it afterwards). Simmer, covered, for 20 minutes or so, until most of the liquid has been absorbed. (This is one of my husband's favorite dinners)

Other things to try: 16-bean soup; taco salad w/ Morningstar crumbles, fat-free cheese, and low-fat tortilla chips

I'll post some more later, but that's what I can remember now (I make these almost every week!)

[Maine-iac]

I've been on the Weight Watchers program before (not the current version, but close enough). I lost a lot of weight and reached my goal.

It's a healthy program, with reasonable portions and balanced nutrition.

However, I found it difficult to sustain the weight loss after reaching goal, and gained most of it back, eventually. The counting of units and the balancing of categories got old, and I slipped back into former bad habits.

I've had much better luck maintaining my weight loss with South Beach. There is more emphasis on choosing foods wisely (foods that are both nutritious and less likely to trigger binges) and less on portion measurement and units so it seems more realistic to me.

I did make some poor choices with holiday foods over the last month, but unlike other years and other diets, I haven't really had any trouble going right back to South Beach now that the holiday treats are over. It may not work for everybody, but it works for me.

[Asura]

How many points is a 6 or 8oz. filet mignon?

[micaelagb]

How many points is a 6 or 8oz. filet mignon?

2.5 pts. per ounce.:yikes:

[thing]

I'll post some more later, but that's what I can remember now (I make these almost every week!)

you totally rock! The garlic tofu noodles sounds especially good; and I know we have the ingredients on hand...

[micaelagb]

A few more:

Cornbread & Bean Skillet (6 pts. per serving, 6 servings)--great for "I don't want to go to the grocery store" nights

Prepare a pkg (6.5 oz) of Betty Crocker Cornbread according to the directions (using skim milk & low-fat margarine), but don't bake. In a skillet, combine 30 oz (2 cans) of kidney beans, 1 can (15 oz) of stewed tomatoes, 1/2 cup of salsa, and 1 cup of frozen corn kernels. Heat on medium heat until simmering (4-5 minutes). Pour the cornbread batter on top and cook, covered, over low heat until the cornbread is cooked (about 15-20 minutes. You could also add some cheddar cheese on top at the end of the cooking time (but that would be more points!)

Vegetable Paella (4 pts. per serving, 6 servings)

Melt 2 tbs low-fat margarine in a saucepan. Saute 2 diced onions, 1 bell pepper, & 2 garlic cloves (minced). Cook until softened. Add 1 cup uncooked barley & saute 1 minute. Add 1 can stewed tomatoes, 2 cups fat-free veggie broth (or 1 14-oz can is fine, too) and 2 sliced carrots. Bring to a boil, then cover & simmer for 10 minutes. Add 6 oz artichoke hearts (not in oil) and 1 chopped zucchini. Continue cooking until broth is absorbed. Add 1/2 cup frozen peas & cook until heated through.

That's most of our normal recipies. I'm part of an organic food co-op, so I get 2 bags full of organic veggies once every two weeks. I generally try to use those up and end up making other stuff (although I haven't found anything to do with celeriac--does anyone know what to do with this?!?).

[Lucy]

I never tried it, but my sister did, and she liked it well enough.. . .Another rule I had - if you're not enjoying what you're eating, don't eat it. Make everything you eat count.That's really my only rule. I'm not slim, but my weight is healthy and stable and I get great pleasure from my food.

Finally, remember this...nothing tastes as good as looking great in your favorite jeans feels!Hmmm, maybe this explains why I'm not slim. I can't imagine any pair of jeans feeling as good as a nice piece of chocolate tastes. Or a juicy steak when you're hungry. Or a hot acorn squash with butter and brown sugar. Or a fresh chocolate chip cookie. Or yellowtail sashimi. . . Actually, I can't remember ever really caring that much what any garment looked like. Some look bad, and some look moderately good, but even when I was a nubile slender lass I never got much pleasure from looking at myself.

Of course, food tastes best when you are hungry, so it's good to allow yourself to get hungry so you can properly enjoy what you eat. And if you want to keep your weight in line, it's good to eat slowly, so you can tell when you've had enough. (Also, so you can savor your food of course. Did I mention that I like food. . .)

[m_m]

I can't imagine any pair of jeans feeling as good as a nice piece of chocolate tastes. Or a juicy steak when you're hungry. Or a hot acorn squash with butter and brown sugar. Or a fresh chocolate chip cookie. Or yellowtail sashimi. . .

Can't agree more! That's why it is almost impossible for me to try to lose some weight :oops: I used to hate chocolate cakes, then I started having cravings for sweets over last few years... :roll2:

[Traci]

Hmmm, maybe this explains why I'm not slim. I can't imagine any pair of jeans feeling as good as a nice piece of chocolate tastes.

It's a toss-up for me. I've been lucky most of my life to have inherited a good metabolism. But recent health issues have really thrown my system out of whack. I'm on medication now that makes me more prone to gain weight.

I've been dieting just to keep from gaining. I got a little lax over the holidays and BANG, there's 10 extra pounds on the scale! :swear:

So now I have to work even harder to get back down to where I'm confortable. And I'm lazy!

I don't have to have the body I had in my 20's, I'd just like to fit comfortably into my clothes and still be able to enjoy eating. I think I'll take Mainiac's suggestion and look into South Beach. Vacation is coming up soon, I'd like to feel comfortable in my shorts at the beach!

[Titania]

. I'm not slim, but my weight is healthy and stable and I get great pleasure from my food. There's a "new diet" that I heard about...the discretionary eating diet.

Some professor somewhere decided that he'll only eat when he's hungry, only eat what he craves, and stop eating when he's not hungry anymore. He lost something like 40 pounds doing this (regular excerise, too), and got some friends to do it...it worked for most of them.

Sounds like you've already figured this out!

I'm not sure it would ever work for me...I tend to eat out of boredom, and if I'm eating something I like, I have a hard time stopping when I"m full. The added discipline of tracking what I'm eating helps me a lot.

Hmmm, maybe this explains why I'm not slim. I can't imagine any pair of jeans feeling as good as a nice piece of chocolate tastes. Just different priorities I guess. Or, maybe I'm vain. But, I never felt good about my body, even in high school ( which is stupid, I played a lot of sports and would love to have that body again.) Chalk it up to social pressure and being a teen I guess. Then I packed on a lot of weight by age 25. I lost a lot, and the feeling of being comfortable and feeling attractive was very addicting.

I guess I'm too the point where I can strike a balance between liking how I look and enjoying food too. Before I would just scarf down 5 cookies without even tasting them.

I have some other reasons to stay a healthy weight, too...I'd like to have kids sometime in the near future, and being in shape beforehand is a good idea. I have high blood pressure (under control now) but when I was heavier it was difficult to control. And, I guess I just want to stay ahead of the curve...I dont' run marathons or anything, so I know I'll be heavier as I get older...but my parents are both pretty heavy and have been for years. I figure if I'm dilligent now, it will be easier to stay in shape in my 50s and 60s.

[Allie]

Japanese Noodles w/ Garlic Toasted Tofu (4 pts. per serving--makes 6 servings)

Cook 8 oz soba noodles and toss with 1 tbs tamari sauce. Stir-fry 8 oz firm tofu with garlic in 2 tsp sesame oil until golden. Add 1 cup snow peas (I use more--they're 0 pts) and 2 sliced carrots and saute another 2 minutes or so. Stir in 1/2 cup mirin (we've substituted rice wine vinegar by accident, and actually prefer it that way now). Add tofu mixture to noodles & toss to combine.



I'm planning on making this for dinner tonight and wondered about the noodles...

Soba noodles - do you buy them dried or already cooked? I bought mine dry and was told to cook them like pasta. But, do you cook 'em al dente like pasta or until totally soft?


Thanks!

[thing]

1. Dried
2. I'm not sure what's traditional, but the time I made this dish I cooked them al dente

[silverfox]

They should be cooked al denté. As soon as they are done cooking, you should rinse them with cold water in a colander. My mother is Japanese and starts yelling at me if I don't eat my noodles immediately after she's done cooking because the noodles become mushy.

Tangent: My grandmother on my father's side thinks she likes ramen and will cook a large pot of ramen noodles with meatballs (like meatballs in ramen isn't disgusting enough?). She'd then put the leftovers in the fridge and eat them later. The noodles are completely mushy and there's a layer of meatball fat floating at the top. My mother looked like she was going to :exams: when she had to act like she thought it was good.

[Allie]

so....does do they take as long to cook as pasta? Trying to judge prep time, etc for dinner.......need to fit a step aerobics class in before dinner and wondered if I could cook them ahead of time and then heat 'em up.....

Y'all apparently know more about noodles than I -- while I was at the store I bought some tapioca strips also - they looked neat and sort of like something that I had over the weekend. Have you ever used them?

[silverfox]

You need to read the instructions on the package. Depending on which region the soba noodles were from, I've had them take anywhere from 3 to 15 minutes. Same with udon noodles.

[micaelagb]

I'm planning on making this for dinner tonight and wondered about the noodles...

How'd it go? Oddly enough, I had that for dinner last night, too!!

[Allie]

How'd it go? Oddly enough, I had that for dinner last night, too!!

It was delicious. Definately something that I'll be adding to my normal meals. Thank you much!!

[thing]

Yes, thanks again... we've tried 3 of the recipies you posted so far, and liked them all. The cornbread skillet was the biggest hit, I think it's scheduled to be tried again later this week.

[LanaJane]

I love weight watchers because its not restrictive and completely taught me portion control. Here is a website I reference when the fast food crave kicks in. They have a lot of this on the WW website but this is free!

http://www.dwlz.com/Restaurants/1allrestaurants.html

[tommie frazier]

here's a question for the WW pros out there:

you can earn extra points by exercising. but they have a fairly crude system (3 levels) and the highest level is one I go WAYYY past evey time I work out. when i go for a jog, my HR is usually in the 85-90% of the theoretical max, which is a flawed formula, but that's another issue. but the points earned back top out.

since it appears as though the difference between light exercise (apparently, while lying down) and moderate (an easy walk) is small, but between medium and heavy is much bigger, is it OK to extrapolate? when I work out that hard, I need to eat a little more, and just don't want to start passing out bc I can only afford a few more points. thanks to this formula.

example: today was 31 minutes of running, HR consistently over 90% of theoretical max. (I can easily get it to over 100% for stretches of time in the minutes) they say I earned like 4-4.5 poitns for it. by extrapolating, I get at least 6.5, maybe as high as 8.

any thoughts?

or should I recalculate the max and accept the lower points reward?

[Sotally Tober]

Accept the lower reward. No one likes greedy people. They don't like over-achievers either. :shrug:

Truth is, I have no idea as to the :qunq: real :qunq: answer to your question.

[tommie frazier]

it is so low as to almost remove the incentive for harder workouts. i doubt that was the goal.

[IMP]

imo, do trial and error on the extra points - find the balance of eating to feel satisfied but not over eating to where you see plateauing (sp?) and no weight loss. surely the goal is not to remove incentive.

[yanz]

here's a question for the WW pros out there:

you can earn extra points by exercising. but they have a fairly crude system (3 levels) and the highest level is one I go WAYYY past evey time I work out. when i go for a jog, my HR is usually in the 85-90% of the theoretical max, which is a flawed formula, but that's another issue. but the points earned back top out.

since it appears as though the difference between light exercise (apparently, while lying down) and moderate (an easy walk) is small, but between medium and heavy is much bigger, is it OK to extrapolate? when I work out that hard, I need to eat a little more, and just don't want to start passing out bc I can only afford a few more points. thanks to this formula.

example: today was 31 minutes of running, HR consistently over 90% of theoretical max. (I can easily get it to over 100% for stretches of time in the minutes) they say I earned like 4-4.5 poitns for it. by extrapolating, I get at least 6.5, maybe as high as 8.

any thoughts?

or should I recalculate the max and accept the lower points reward?

why don't you try to translate the points into calories and calculate from there? ;)

seriously, though, google how many cals you burn by walking/jogging/running for X mins/miles whatever, and see how that translates to points for the walking/jogging and extrapolate for running. Or something.