Taliban beg US not to attack them

[Anonymous]

They're basically begging the US not to bomb them now.

I kinda feel sorry for them. I say if they cooperate fully and give us access to everything we want, then they shouldn't be bombed.

[Anonymous]

What about the children who want their fathers and mothers back? If they can't give us that, then bomb them.

[WWSituation]

I kinda feel sorry for them. I say if they cooperate fully and give us access to everything we want, then they shouldn't be bombed.

We should only appear sympathetic so we can get the information we need. Then we should waste them.

[Traci]

"""I say if they cooperate fully and give us access to everything we want, then they shouldn't be bombed."""

I agree - I don't want to see more innocent people die. Let's not become terrorists ourselves.

But I want FULL and complete cooperation. Not like what we saw after Iraq. Full access or we take it by force.

[Anonymous]

Wow, I can't believe what I just read above.

We must make it highly undesireable for a country such as Afghanistan to fund and harbor an animal such as bin Laden.

You would rather the US go after an endless supply of terrorists one by one as they blow up other buildings?

Please don't tell me you actually believed what the Taleban officials said.

[Anonymous]

"I agree - I don't want to see more innocent people die."

What an interesting comment from someone who supports abortion.

[Anonymous]

We have to be psychologically prepared to bomb mosques if indeed it turns out that underground bunkers exist beneath them.

[Anonymous]

Remember- so as you sow so shall you reap - it's a case of the chicken's coming home to roost -

There is no conclusive unequivocal evidence as to who or what was responsible for the explosions above America. Yet there have already been punishments meted out to destitute Afghanis by American missile strikes.Yes- the ever trigger-happy American need to show who's boss.

Why aren't the politicians talking about the root of the problem -what America could have done to earn so much anger and resentment and why they have been forced to pay such a terrible price for their foreign policies?
Is America right to believe it is invincible ? Do not Americans think there is a higher agent of justice?
America and it's Allies or the "Western Alliance" in the so-called 'civilised , democratic world' have succeeded in creating an credible and formidable enemy as a direct result of their own continuous ,self-serving policies.They have also duped their own populations into thinking that they represent all that is free or fair.

Does nobody take into account America & Co.'s past history of "terrorism and evil"

-the slave trade ( how the gynaecological instruments that are commonplace today were forcibly used and tested on female slaves in
the American west.)

-the near-extermination of indigenous peoples ( my American biology teacher told me how his fore fathers spread disease by giving American indians blankets infested with measles) -Australia too is guilty on this account by dispossing the Aborigines
Ironically both countries now being governed by white immigrants themselves and NOT indigenous peoples have rabid and racist immigration policies

-colonialism ( the denial of democratic self-determination by indigenous people )

-Imperialism (British hegemony) Africa ,the Subcontinent, China, Middle East etc -exploitation and plundering of local resources for the sake of the Crown

-The Amercian victimisation of vietnamese by carpet bombing them with Agent orange

-America 's refusal to sign to the Kyoto protocol and to fulfill it's obligations as the biggest enviromental polluter of them all -How many countless lives does that put at risk as the most nototorious contributer to global warming and consequential natural disasters? How many untold deaths will result?

-America is the only country to have exploded an atomic bomb . It thinks that the privilege should be exclusively theirs.

-America befriended both Afghanistan and Iraq in it's proxy war against communist Russia and Iran respectively and then when they became expedient, turned against them in complete betrayal

-Western delay in the condemmnation of Apartheid

-It's refusal to condemn the Russian bombardment of Chechnya and Indian suppresion and oppresion of the Kashmiris. Apparently only the Kuwaitis merit support because that keeps the crude oil supplies flowing in their direction.

-America pumps millions into it's spoilt child Israel to build it's arsenal and sophisticated weaponry so that they can 'defend' themselves against a bunch of stone-throwing kids .How? By deliberately targeting these children who have been made refugees in their own land.

-The war crimes perpetrated by Israel and it's South lebanon army go unpunished .The current 'democratically' elected prime -minister Ariel Sharon is a known murderer who ordered massacares on Palestinan civilians, women and children. Israel's continued intransigence of security council resolutions makes a mockery of America and Co's claim as upholders of international law.


the list is endless , these are but a handful of the terrorist activities and crimes that America and Co has committed and continues to do so impervious to the bloodshed and gross acts of 'collateral damage ' in the words of gen colin powell- it is responsible for.Ultimately if america and the west don't look into their own consciences they will be signing their own death warrants.
What happened in america on tuesday is just a drop in the ocean.



By the way - islam is not a preogrative of the afghanis or arabs . It is a force unto itself and a divine plan in action that is not subject to any human manipulation . It will prevail regardless.
and you don't have to be a muslim to share the views expressed just a discerning , objective truth-seeking -moreover less brainwashed human being.

[Anonymous]

Helloo - yo - anony -

Maybe you didn't hear - the U.N. farce in Durban is over. Time to move on.

[Rockhound]

Let me sum up Anonymous' arguments.

America and Western Civilization has been enormously successful, and he is jealous.

[Traci]

"""What an interesting comment from someone who supports abortion."""

And THERE'S the expected abortion comment from the anonymous moron - gee I'm surprised it took this long!

[Anonymous]

"And THERE'S the expected abortion comment from the anonymous moron - gee I'm surprised it took this long!"

Yes, an anonymous moron who understands the contradiction of an abortion supporter worried about innocent lives.

[anon789]

Whoa big fella. You've got the headband on a little tight.

On 2001-09-13 08:29, Anonymous wrote:

Why aren't the politicians talking about the root of the problem -what America could have done to earn so much anger and resentment

Because they're busy trying to find the people responsible for flying jets full of civilians into the sides of office buildings. Maybe they'll get to that later.

Is America right to believe it is invincible ?
Probably not. Can they kick your ass? Probably so.

America and it's Allies or the "Western Alliance" in the so-called 'civilised , democratic world' have succeeded in creating an credible and formidable enemy as a direct result of their own continuous ,self-serving policies.

Oh. See, now you are talking about far more than just the US. As NATO has just made clear, the REST OF THE WESTERN WORLD IS ALSO COMING TO KICK YOUR ASS.
Credible? Hardly. Formidable? Hijacking civilian planes isn't quite the same thing as dealing with the military (I suspect you are about to find this out first hand) You bloodied our noses. I can't imaging it will happen again.

They have also duped their own populations into thinking that they represent all that is free or fair.

THEY? Who the hell is that? It sounds like you might be more likely to be living in a country that has the population brainwashed.


Does nobody take into account America & Co.'s past history of "terrorism and evil"

rant on. I'm not sure what events of 200 years ago have to do with this. You are obviuosly trying to muddy the waters with a whole bunch of alleged offences. You are just as obviously an idiot. The US had slavery. So let's drive a planeload of civilians into the side of a building full of civilians. That makes things better.
Let me make this clear for you: when the western world comes for you and yours, it won't be because of something your ancestors did. It will be because of Tuesday September 11th. Direct line, not hypothetical connections.

Australia too is guilty on this account by dispossing the Aborigines

Guilty? See, it's thinking like this, where you think your religious convictions let you decide who gets to live that is going to get you in trouble.

-Imperialism (British hegemony)

I'm 4th generation British immigrant, living in a country outside of Britian. Now the British occupation of India is my fault?

-America is the only country to have exploded an atomic bomb . It thinks that the privilege should be exclusively theirs.

No, it thinks that NOBODY should be doing this. You think because they exploded an atomic bomb 50 years ago that they got to have all the fun? You are stupid.

-Western delay in the condemmnation of Apartheid

So again, the solution is.....?

-America pumps millions into it's spoilt child Israel to build it's arsenal and sophisticated weaponry so that they can 'defend' themselves against a bunch of stone-throwing kids

This wasn't stone throwing kids.

Ultimately if america and the west don't look into their own consciences
NEVER have I seen America or the west celebrate joyously at the death of enemies. NEVER would the west throw candy and fire guns in the air at the death of uninvolved, innocent civilians.
The kind of thinking that rejoices at the death of innocent people is what will raise the wrath of the west.

By the way - islam is not a preogrative of the afghanis or arabs . It is a force unto itself and a divine plan in action that is not subject to any human manipulation . It will prevail regardless.
and you don't have to be a muslim to share the views expressed just a discerning , objective truth-seeking -moreover less brainwashed human being.

Ya ya ya. Every fundamentalist group in the world spews this garbage.

What happened in america on tuesday is just a drop in the ocean.
I expect so. I've got one word for you. Duck!

[Laocoön]

On 2001-09-13 09:17, anon789 wrote:

"You bloodied our noses. I can't imagine it will happen again."

It will almost definitely happen again. The form will be different, but the effect will be the same. There should be little doubt of this.

[anon789]

Yes, you're right. In fact, I've always been concerned that a suitcase nuke was going to end up downtown NY. I am still concerned with this possibility.

What I was thinking is that the US will now be taking the stance that they won't let this happen again. And some of the effect of that position will be much more proactive.

And FWIW, my first comment in my last post was meant to be derogatory towards one individual. I know it doesn't read that way.

[E. Blackadder]

Then let's get them back first.

As for the lengthy andy-esque post, all I can say is that slavery is currently an Islamic and African phenomenom, and always has been.
Likewise, now that Apartheid has fallen in South Africa, so has the country, no less so than the WTC.

And "indigenous peoples" were making endless war upon each other instead of building society.

And let's not forget, Vietnam becomes more capitalist by the year. In short, we won after losing.

As for the rest of it, when you learn to substitue facts for your opinions, we can have this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, slavery's Islamic.

That's why there are all those African Americans with roots in arab countries.

[Anonymous]

Two points on the diatribe against America:

First, you left out the U.S.'s culpability for stopping Hitler and preventing the total annihilation of the Jews. I am sure that frustrates you.

Second, none of us would suggest that the government kill you for expressing your anti-U.S. sentiments. In contrast, take your same attitude to all of your righteous Middle East countries, even the "moderate" ones, and criticize those countries - and you will be killed either by the government or an angry mob directed my the religious leadership.

Conversely, if they ran the U.S. and all of our power, and we were "democratic fanatics" in the Taliban running Afghanistan, do you think they would hesitate to run us over?

Just as we could overrun Cuba anytime we wanted to, but we don't.

If you can't see the difference, there is no hope in reasoning with you.

[Anonymous]

Traci -

In re: "moron"

If you think the anti-abortion post was off topic, just say so. No one else in this thread is insulting the intelligence of others.

(A different anon)

[E. Blackadder]

No, no, anon. In the Arabic tradition, they were gelded.

If you'd put your copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" down, and read something real, you could find this sort of thing out.

[Traci]

"""No one else in this thread is insulting the intelligence of others. """

No - they are just insulting my ability to feel grief, sorrow, sympathy and empathy.

If you think that I cannot feel those emotions because you disagree with me about a completely unrelated issue - then there is no other word for you.

[Anonymous]

On 2001-09-13 11:24, E. Blackadder wrote:
No, no, anon. In the Arabic tradition, they were gelded.

If you'd put your copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" down, and read something real, you could find this sort of thing out.


Oh I see. Well that explains that. <sarcastic>

[Anonymous]

Being sarcastic of course.

[Weatherman]

On 2001-09-13 11:41, Anonymous wrote:

On 2001-09-13 11:24, E. Blackadder wrote:
No, no, anon. In the Arabic tradition, they were gelded.

If you'd put your copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" down, and read something real, you could find this sort of thing out.


Oh I see. Well that explains that. <sarcastic>


You don't understand how that could explain that there aren't many descendants of their slaves?

[Anonymous]

On 2001-09-13 12:53, Weatherman wrote:

On 2001-09-13 11:41, Anonymous wrote:

On 2001-09-13 11:24, E. Blackadder wrote:
No, no, anon. In the Arabic tradition, they were gelded.

If you'd put your copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" down, and read something real, you could find this sort of thing out.


Oh I see. Well that explains that. <sarcastic>


You don't understand how that could explain that there aren't many descendants of their slaves?


It's about as likely as moon men hiding them all. It really shows how biased you are if you could come up with such nonsense. Muslims are the least racist people on the planet. The undeniable leader of the American Muslim population is African American. What other group can claim that?

[Anonymous]

Uh, the "least racist people on the planet" run the only country requiring religious-specific clothing right now...

They also run quite a few countries where practicing a religion other than theirs is banned...

They also run several countries where they persecute ethnic minorities (also Muslim) simply for their ethnicity.

And in most of their countries, womne can't vote. A lot of them, they can't drive or work, and live only at the sufference of their fathers or husbands.


Muslims USED to be the most tolerant group in the world, like 500 years ago. A lot has changed.

[Grits N Gravy]

"The undeniable leader of the American Muslim population is African American. What other group can claim that?"

Until recently, the US Military (then Powell became SecState.)

Your undeniable leader leader of the most "non-racist" group has been spewing anti-semetic rhetoric for years. What a great example.

[Rockhound]

"Muslims are the least racist people on the planet"

Yeah, just ask the Jews in Israel.

[Anonymous]

On 2001-09-13 14:54, Rockhound wrote:
"Muslims are the least racist people on the planet"

Yeah, just ask the Jews in Israel.


Yeah, African Americans wanting equality and the removal of oppression were racist too I guess. Absurd statements like calling the opressed for asking for freedom "racist" sheds light on the difficulty of this struggle.

[Rockhound]

"Yeah, African Americans wanting equality and the removal of oppression were racist too I guess. Absurd statements like calling the opressed for asking for freedom "racist" sheds light on the difficulty of this struggle."

I can't quite parse that statement, but I think I've been accused of making absurd statements. Unfortunately, the argument being made is completely incomprehensible, so I can't respond.

[Anonymous]

On 2001-09-13 15:22, Rockhound wrote:
"Yeah, African Americans wanting equality and the removal of oppression were racist too I guess. Absurd statements like calling the opressed for asking for freedom "racist" sheds light on the difficulty of this struggle."

I can't quite parse that statement, but I think I've been accused of making absurd statements. Unfortunately, the argument being made is completely incomprehensible, so I can't respond.



Incomprehensible to you due to your ignorance.

[The Mister]

On 2001-09-13 15:24, Anonymous wrote:

On 2001-09-13 15:22, Rockhound wrote:
I can't quite parse that statement, but I think I've been accused of making absurd statements. Unfortunately, the argument being made is completely incomprehensible, so I can't respond.


Incomprehensible to you due to your ignorance.

<font color=red>I NO U R BUTT WH4T M I?!?!!@@?</font>
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Idiot.

[Anonymous]

Traci, please just learn to say when you have made a mistake. The other anon was somewhat off-topic. You think completely so, because you do not consider abortion to be a matter of "innocent life."

Frankly, your post did not express an emotion so much as a reasoned plea to avoid unnecessary violence. The responder was suggesting that your views are logically inconsistent, but certainly no one was insulting your ability to feel grief, etc.

And, as you know, I am not the one (and I said in that post, I am not the one) who made the original, off-topic post. Nor did I insult your ability to feel grief. Yet, you are more or less calling me a moron as well.

Meanwhile, you have edited out any number of emotional and impolite comments on other posts throughout this forum. On that point, I will suggest a further aspect of inconsistency in your position. Or, do you reserve the sole right to be impolite in this forum?



On 2001-09-13 11:29, Traci wrote:
"""No one else in this thread is insulting the intelligence of others. """

No - they are just insulting my ability to feel grief, sorrow, sympathy and empathy.

If you think that I cannot feel those emotions because you disagree with me about a completely unrelated issue - then there is no other word for you.

[Griffin 1]

Traci: "If you think that I cannot feel those emotions because you disagree with me about a completely unrelated issue - then there is no other word for you."


A completely unrelated issue? Is this another of those opinions you hold that is obvious to all? I know, let's agree to disagree.

[Traci]

"""Traci, please just learn to say when you have made a mistake. """

I have no problem admitting my mistakes - but I don't think this was one of them.

This is just something that happens all the time. I post something - completely unrelated to the issue of abortion - and some anonymous jackass (do you like that term better?) decides to make a connection for no other reason than to take a pot-shot at me.

Perhaps you did not infer the insult because it was not directed at you. But I get tired of people suggesting that my opinions on any issue of life and death are invalid because they disagree with me about abortion.

Like I said - it happens all the time.

At least *I* signed my name to my posts. The person whom I am calling a moron and a jackass at least has the priviledge of knowing exactly who is calling him that.

I feel fine about posting it because if someone said what he did to me in a room full of all the people here - I would have no problem saying what I did to his face for everyone to SEE and hear.

I did not get the same priviledge.

Because this person would NOT insult me in front of his peers - he prefers to hide - now why would that be?

"""you are more or less calling me a moron as well"""

Not true at all.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't say it was a pot-shot, Traci. I was simply pointing out a contradiction in your views. As for this issue being completely unrelated to abortion, we are talking about the lives of completely innocent people.

[Traci]

"""you do not consider abortion to be a matter of "innocent life." """

I don't mean to sound testy, but

Please do not tell me what I think. If you want to discuss abortion - start another thread and *ask* me what I think.

[Traci]

"""I wouldn't say it was a pot-shot, Traci. I was simply pointing out a contradiction in your views."""

And now I call you a liar as well.

[Weatherman]

On 2001-09-13 21:49, Anonymous wrote:
As for this issue being completely unrelated to abortion, we are talking about the lives of completely innocent people.


So it's your position that people who are pro-choice must logically be indifferent to mass killings? I think Traci said it best.

[Anonymous]

" """you do not consider abortion to be a matter of "innocent life." """

I don't mean to sound testy, but

Please do not tell me what I think. "


If it is assumed that an abortion supporter considers abortion to be a matter of "innocent life", then that is a real insult. Not this stuff you have been infering.


WM: "So it's your position that people who are pro-choice must logically be indifferent to mass killings?"

It is my position that it is interesting that an abortion supporter would say things like "I don't want to see more innocent people die".

[Griffin 1]

"Please do not tell me what I think."
"And now I call you a liar as well."

Although you don't want others to tell you what you think, you are willing to tell others what they think?

[Anonymous]

OK, Traci, you're on.

No wussing out, though, when you get caught with an untenable position. Admit your mistake if/when it becomes clear that you have a logically inconsistent position.

[Traci]

"""No wussing out"""

This - from an anonymous poster.

uh huh - right

[Standtall]

Lots of insults in this thread.

I guess this place hasn't changed much even since it started.

[Gandalf]

Lots of insults in this thread.

I guess this place hasn't changed much even since it started.
One isolated thread doesn't prove much, especially a thread started and (until now) completed within a few days of 9-11.

Since I've been here since November of 2001, I have a broader perspective of AO history, and I wouldn't want to pick any thread as typical of then or now.

There are fewer WCCs now. That's a shame.

One clear difference between what went on in this thread and now: now you have to use an id to post; no "Anonymous". Ids don't have to give their real name, and some posters may have more than one id, but you've got to sign in as one of your ids to post. That means ids can be warned or even banned for their posts.

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

[reads standtall's post]

:shake:


[reads standtall's sigline]

:lol:

At least there is just as much unintended irony here as there ever was!

[Standtall]

[reads standtall's post]

:shake:


[reads standtall's sigline]

:lol:

At least there is just as much unintended irony here as there ever was!

My sigline is there specifically to point out the level of debate that is allowed here.

I did not call anyone a tool. :toast:

[Alto Reed on a Tenor Sax]

My sigline is there specifically to point out the level of debate that is allowed here.

I did not call anyone a tool. :toast:

Sure, okay. I was pointing out that your sigline is inflammatory, pulled out of context, and doesn't cite it's source (i.e, the specific post you are referring to). And you are going to ***** about the level of debate?:lol:

If you would like a sigline more on the inspirational side, you saintly guy you, I have a copy of Poor Richard's almanac you can leaf through.

[Standtall]

Sure, okay. I was pointing out that your sigline is inflammatory, pulled out of context, and doesn't cite it's source (i.e, the specific post you are referring to). And you are going to ***** about the level of debate?:lol:

If you would like a sigline more on the inspirational side, you saintly guy you, I have a copy of Poor Richard's almanac you can leaf through.

Does it matter where it came from? We are on a board that quasi represents our profession. Calling someone a tool should be beneath the level of debate in all circumstances.

[asdfasdf]

Political does not proclaim to "quasi represent our profession", and you certainly do not have to be an Actuary, or even an actuary to post on this board in general.

[Ailing Factuary]

is this another way of ensuring that we never forget?

[Harry]

Does it matter where it came from? We are on a board that quasi represents our profession. Calling someone a tool should be beneath the level of debate in all circumstances.
So you think that by having a quote like that in your sig line helps fight that image how exactly?

[2pac Shakur]

So you think that by having a quote like that in your sig line helps fight that image how exactly?

This way we will never forget.
It's like W wearing a USA pin on his collar.

[Standtall]

So you think that by having a quote like that in your sig line helps fight that image how exactly?

Not fight it. Simply pointing out how ridiculous it is.

When I tried to discuss how to correct the problem, the thread got moved to the reef so we can spend our time in the improvements discussion area fighting the bigger battles like listing new smilies we would like to have.

[Standtall]

Political does not proclaim to "quasi represent our profession", and you certainly do not have to be an Actuary, or even an actuary to post on this board in general.

This board does.

Believe it or not, but people searching for actuarial information on the internet stumble across this board from time to time.

[Standtall]

This way we will never forget.
It's like W wearing a USA pin on his collar.

He does wear that to remember. (which country he is the President of)

[Uncle Howie]

When I tried to discuss how to correct the problem, the thread got moved to the reef so we can spend our time in the improvements discussion area fighting the bigger battles like listing new smilies we would like to have.I think we should have a smilie wearing a "Kiss me, I'm Irish" t-shirt. I think that it would be cute.

[General Apathy]

How about, Gettin' Lucky In Kentucky?