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Maxprime
03-06-2006, 10:47 AM
I was originally just going to post up my workout suggestions, but after starting I realized I wanted to post up a lot more. I consider working out and getting your body in shape to be a work towards health (both physical & mental) - the best side effect and motivator is looking fantastic.

Your First 10 Steps:
1) Figure out and get comfortable with where you are now, where you want to be, and how long it will take. Be BRUTALLY honest with yourself - without a realistic plan you are going to get nowhere. get naked and look in front of a mirror (no sucking in!) and be brutally honest. I also suggest taking a picture (in undies) so you can remember how awful you used to be. Self-loathing is the best motivator. Think about how you feel at the beach or in the showers at the gym - think about how you want to feel and look. Now, get some numbers about where you truly want to be and put a time frame on it.

2) Get your diet straight. All the work in the world won't do a thing if you eat crap. Get a plan for how much weight you're going to lose (~3500 cals/pound of fat), in what time frame and figure out how many calories you can eat in a day. CONTROL PORTIONS - Americans eat way too much food. Too much good food is too much food. Period.

3) Take steps to support your efforts. SLEEP is key - your body repairs your muscles, breaks down some fats to get energy to the brain, for you guys - it's when you make much of your testosterone. Sleep is very key. Take a multivitamin - they cost nothing and it's easy to take. A multivitamin will fix gaps in your nutritional diet.

4) Get your head straight. Exercising will remove stress and make you feel better - but it's no cure. If you are stressed, your body produces cortisol. Cortisol is your mind's signal to your body that you are stressed. Your body responds by desperately packing away any energy it can in the form of fat - it also breaks down your hard-earned muscles for energy. Not eating enough WILL release cortisol and ruin your work. Eat proper portions of good food - treat your body well.

5) Cheat. Yes, I said it - cheat. If you kill yourself for 6 months to get into great shape and become happy with yourself, then quit - you've lost. You'll be back on these threads in 12 months. My cheating is beer - I love beer. I love going out and drinking beer. It's stocked full of terrible calories that turn into fat. Alcohol disrupts your sleep and suppresses your digestive system - making more fat. But you need a reward. When I've run 4 miles and say "that's a good job" - I think about how if I run 2 more miles I can have more beer! If you diet properly, work out, and then cheat your heart out at the end of the day - you should end up even on calories. I short 1,000 calories on days I work out - that's 10 beers I get to have. It's not good, but everyone needs to cheat to keep yourself going. Pick something that is worth it - cake, whatever - and every once and a while let yourself have some.

6) Cardio. Now we're getting somewhere. Cardio has a TON of wonderful things it does. Most importantly, it gets your heart into shape. For you gentlemen, lowering that blood pressure through exercise will preven the #1 cause of erectile dysfunction. High blood pressure will destroy your body over time. Best of all, you burn calories like crazy. Do as much cardio as your body will allow - but rest (see next point) to prevent injury, especially to knees.

7) Rest. This can be both the hardest and easiest thing to do. For some, not working out will make your skin crawl. For others, this is what it's all about. If you don't let your body rest, it won't have time to repair the damage you do. It will be under constant stress and release our ugly friend cortisol - more fat and less muscle will follow. Take time off - use that time you normally are stuck in the gym to do something great. Hang out with your family, whatever. If you don't rest, you will not see long term results. Mentally, you will come back to the gym ready to go and your body will respond.

8) Lift Weights. Muscular strength is very important to overall health. Resistance training not only strengthens your muscles, it strengthens your bones. You will get sore and it will suck - but after a while you won't get sore after workouts. Weight lifting elevates your heart rate and provides some extra cardio. Your brain will release endorphins to help with the pain of soreness, which will make you feel fantastic. Your physique will improve and as you cut away that fat it you will look fantastic. The opposite sex groping your chiseled abs will make all the pain seem worthwhile.

9) DRINK WATER! Few people realize how much water will help weight loss and overall health. Stop drinking sodas - that sugar is crap for you. Water fills your stomach and makes you feel more full. Nobody drinks enough - dehydration makes you tired, cranky, and gives you headaches. Drink water everywhere - every meal. Before every meal, drink 8 oz of water. Being thirsty (most people are dehydrated) is VERY often confused with hunger. If you feel hungry for a snack that you don't think you need, drink a huge glass of water. If you drink it all, wait a bit, and you're still hungry - eat a healthy snack.

10) Stick to the basics. We're not bodybuilders or olympic athletes. You don't need a fad diet or $300 of supplements a month. Eat healthy, work out, keep your head right and you will see success. You will be happier, look better, and feel better than ever before - I guarantee it.

I'll post more specifics below - but these are a great start.

Frenchie
03-06-2006, 10:56 AM
You seem to have way too much free time to post that dissertation. Get to work! ;)

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 11:01 AM
Weight lifting general guidelines (for beginners):

Warm up the muscle you're about to work out by doing a set of 15 reps that you can finish pretty easily. This will increase blood flow to the area which will help get rid of toxins produced by working it out and it will help nutrients flow to replenish your muscle's stores (ATP, aminos, etc.).

Exercise 2 more sets at 12 reps at a weight that makes you grit your teeth on 10-12. If you get to 11 and can't do your 12th, take a deep breath, rest for 5 seconds with the weight in hand, and crank out that 12th. Pushing yourself will make you feel better and provide much better gains.

Work out 1-2 muscle groups a day in different areas that complement each other. Examples:
Day 1: Biceps & Back
Day 2: Tricepts & Chest
Day 3: Legs
The point of this is so that your muscles will get a rest for an entire week before being worked again - they need this rest.

For the first few weeks, your muscles are going to be sore and generally unable to understand why you're doing this to them. So for the first 4 weeks, you need to take it easy on them. I suggest doing one exercise per muscle group and then gauging your soreness. If you don't get that sore, add another. If you can do 3 different exercises on one muscle without being sore, you are not pushing yourself hard enough.

First 4 weeks:
Biceps: Curls - preferably standing with a curl bar - DO NOT let your back move or swing the weight in any way.
Tricepts: Bench press will cover tri's & chest - but that's for later. Do tricept extensions on a cable machine or do "skull crushers" (my fav.).
Chest: Fly's - preferably on a cable machine.
Legs: Light squats or leg extensions if you have bad knees
Back: Cable pull-downs

I STRESS that good form will prevent injuries and improve results dramatically. I never have cared for personal trainers except for one thing. A PT can help you on your first exercises for each muscle group - just for form. Don't let them make you do jumping jacks on a box wearing a bunch of towels for their "new age" working out. Just let them watch you work out and improve your form. It's better to have a friend who knows what they're doing b/c they have more time, can be a workout buddy, and you're more comfortable with them.

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 11:01 AM
Officially back to work starting . . . now. Will be back in the afternoon.

LoneGirl
03-06-2006, 11:02 AM
You seem to have way too much free time to post that dissertation. Get to work! ;)

Keep in mind that MaxPrime's quiting his actuarial job soon to enter some other field where he's going to work crazy hours and never have free time (there was a thread about it). I'm sure he won't be posting dissertations in a few months!

JohnGalt
03-06-2006, 12:29 PM
Max, a little constructive criticism on your weightlifting guidelines:

1) I agree 100% with warming up with light weights (I actually always start with just the bar,) but there are no "toxins" produced when you work out.

2) Dumbell bench presses are probably better than flyes for a beginner.

3) Squats are "better" for your knees than leg extensions. The late Dr. Mel Siff dispelled the myth than extensions are better.

4) You forgot any kind of lower back exercise, which is extremely important for overall health. Deadlifts, good mornings, hyperextensions, and reverse hyperextensions are all good.

Loner
03-06-2006, 12:35 PM
And don't forget the hammies!

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 01:49 PM
Max, a little constructive criticism on your weightlifting guidelines:

1) I agree 100% with warming up with light weights (I actually always start with just the bar,) but there are no "toxins" produced when you work out.

2) Dumbell bench presses are probably better than flyes for a beginner.

3) Squats are "better" for your knees than leg extensions. The late Dr. Mel Siff dispelled the myth than extensions are better.

4) You forgot any kind of lower back exercise, which is extremely important for overall health. Deadlifts, good mornings, hyperextensions, and reverse hyperextensions are all good.

1) Lactic acid - there are other by-products that build up and are not good for the muscle.

2) For a beginner, I feel like flyes on a two-cable machine don't require the wrist strength and stability strength that dumbell presses require (although I do them instead of flat bench now). Flyes are also tough to do with proper form early on.

3) I didn't know about leg extensions - are you 100% on that? When I rehab'd my knees (tore ACL & MCL in one, MCL in the other), I did leg extensions on that devil machine that provides resistance both ways - whereas I never would've been allowed to do squats? If it is true, then I definitely appreciate the info.

4) I didn't mention lower back - good call. I tend to ignore weight training my lower back & legs from the aerobic activities I do (cycling is rough on both), but I probably shouldn't.

JohnGalt
03-06-2006, 02:25 PM
1) Lactic acid is not toxic, and a warm-up wouldn't prevent the build up of it anyway. See this link for lactic acid myths and facts:

http://www.time-to-run.com/theabc/lactic.htm

2) I think flyes are worthless, but enough people do them so that this is at least debatable. I prefer the dumbells because they help to build the stability that you mentioned.

3) From http://www.dolfzine.com/page606.htm :

Recent research indicates that patellofemoral and soft tissue forces are greater during knee extensions than well-controlled squats. This is due to the fact seated knee extensions prevent the hip joint from sharing the loading of the movement. In addition the controlled line of movement does not offer the natural patterns of linked joint movement, nor does it involve the central nervous system in producing natural daily patterns of motor control, thus knee extensions should play a minimal role in leg training.

I have the book that this snippet comes from. It, and anything else by Dr. Siff, is really good. (Though I used to be on his email list, and he was an arrogant prick.)

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 02:32 PM
1) Lactic acid is not toxic, and a warm-up wouldn't prevent the build up of it anyway. See this link for lactic acid myths and facts:

http://www.time-to-run.com/theabc/lactic.htm

2) I think flyes are worthless, but enough people do them so that this is at least debatable. I prefer the dumbells because they help to build the stability that you mentioned.

3) From http://www.dolfzine.com/page606.htm :



I have the book that this snippet comes from. It, and anything else by Dr. Siff, is really good. (Though I used to be on his email list, and he was an arrogant prick.)
Very good link about "lactic acid" - good educational stuff! :)

For flyes, I think that they work well to isolate just working out your pectorals. I have very strong triceps, so when I bench or dumbell press they do the majority of the work. If done on a dual cable machine with proper form, it is an excellent exercise to isolate your pecs. I think that, as strength is gained, they should be used only for isolation - dumbell presses cannot be beat for upper body strength.

You don't have to convince me not to do leg extensions - I don't like them anyways. I can see how that makes sense - it does put all of the levering force on the knee itself. Free weight is always better than machines - although I have to be careful on squats. What are your thoughts on leg presses?

JohnGalt
03-06-2006, 03:10 PM
Yeah, I get your point on the flyes. I was always interested in increasing my bench for it's own sake, and not concerned with developing my pecs on their own.

I'm honestly not sure about leg presses. My lower body workout is always some combination of: squats, box squats, good morning, deadlift (may be stiff-legged or "Romanian",) pull-throughs, snatch grip high pulls, and power cleans. If you have access to one, trap-bar deadlifts might be good since the movement is very similar to squatting.

Just curious, do you do any grip training since you're into MMA? I do Captain of Crush grippers, pinch gripping, and thick bar dumbell work.

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 04:31 PM
Yeah, I get your point on the flyes. I was always interested in increasing my bench for it's own sake, and not concerned with developing my pecs on their own.

I'm honestly not sure about leg presses. My lower body workout is always some combination of: squats, box squats, good morning, deadlift (may be stiff-legged or "Romanian",) pull-throughs, snatch grip high pulls, and power cleans. If you have access to one, trap-bar deadlifts might be good since the movement is very similar to squatting.

Just curious, do you do any grip training since you're into MMA? I do Captain of Crush grippers, pinch gripping, and thick bar dumbell work.
I am not training for MMA fights (or any other sport seriously) anymore :( That has changed my workout significantly. I've joined all the pansies lifting for beach muscles and negating true strength - I know it's sad, but I've dealt with it. I don't do any power lifts anymore.

As for leg presses, I've gotten some great workouts on them - but I feel like they have limited impact. I avoid squats because I have extremely strong legs (used to squat 600+ when I weighed 190) but both my knees have had torn ligaments. What's a trap-bar deadlift? Anyways, I go through a few months of light leg work before I'll start doing any heavy lifting in order to make sure my knees are in great shape.

As for wrist stuff - you're going to regret asking. :) The best one I've ever seen was one Relson Gracie did. I was working out and just benched 325 - I was pretty pumped. He promptly told me I was wasting my time - when I asked why he went over to the chin-up bar. He tossed his gi belt over it and grabbed it in one hand - just did pull up after pull-up. I then saw him take an old gi and place it on there - then grab the gi in his fingers (think about it as if your hand was lying flat on the surface and you try to form a fist while taking fabric in with you) and do pull-ups. Just insane.

I don't know what pinch gripping is - for upper wrists you can do weight on a string and roll it up on a bar. Most of the grip training I did was grabbing gis and throwing people. :)

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 04:36 PM
Unless there is a large calorie difference, I always go with the "fat" versions of things instead of "fat free" unless it's something fried or chips, etc.

Fat free always has sugar and I think sugar is the absolute worst stuff in the world. Fats go in and are worth so much energy that they aren't used as much (though you do need some fats in your diet). Sugar goes in and spikes your insulin, which tells your body to store all that energy (in fat).

Soda = the devil.

Apollywog
03-06-2006, 04:51 PM
Saw this interesting article on bbc.co.uk today:
Thin people must exercise too (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4778274.stm)

If you're slim, don't think you can get away with not exercising - you still risk heart problems if you don't hit the gym, a study suggests.

...

They found lean exercisers had good LDL levels, but those in lean and obese non-exercisers were higher and similar.


The study is published in the International Journal of Obesity.
It concluded that exercisers were fitter and leaner than those who were sedentary, and had a better chance of not developing cardiovascular disease.

MNBridge
03-06-2006, 04:55 PM
I'll add the link to an old thread here:
Weightlifting with Bolt (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showthread.php?t=67493)

I still think we need a thread dedicated only to weightlifting but unless others agree I'll just post here.

I like the workout above:

On curls: One thing you see people do is not curls but what I refer to as shoulder rotations*.
They hold their arm / elbow joint at 90 degrees and it never changes.
They just rock the shoulders to move the weight.

*Though I'm 100% sure the people doing them are intending to do curls, and if asked would say they are doing curls.

When doing curls let your arms straighten out and bring the weight back up without rocking. (Yes you'll feel like a wimp).

Flys: I think these are in general a waste (maybe OK as a secondary exercise). People do them wrong and they can lead to injury, very easy to hyper-extend the chest.

Maxprime
03-06-2006, 05:44 PM
Flys: I think these are in general a waste (maybe OK as a secondary exercise). People do them wrong and they can lead to injury, very easy to hyper-extend the chest.

I feel like I've turned into the fly crusader when I am not a huge fan of them. But I will stress that, when done properly (dual cables) they provide great work for pecs. I think that, especially without a strength base, done with dumbells on a flat bench they can lead to injury and people rarely have proper form to gain from that version.

JohnGalt
03-07-2006, 09:41 AM
I feel like I've turned into the fly crusader when I am not a huge fan of them. But I will stress that, when done properly (dual cables) they provide great work for pecs. I think that, especially without a strength base, done with dumbells on a flat bench they can lead to injury and people rarely have proper form to gain from that version.

Flyes go well with cheese!

Maxprime
03-07-2006, 10:07 AM
Flyes go well with cheese!
If you were a cheese you would be a soft kind b/c you are not manly. I'm going to Pump <clap> You Up.