The Official ASOP Season V Thread

[IMP]

Tournaments will be held every Monday evening at 9:00PM eastern starting June 5th, 2006 through the season championship on October 23, 2006, with no game held on July 3rd, 2006. We use the online site PokerStars to host the events. The tournaments will be posted on the sites private tournament section by the end of May 2006, and once events are beginning to be posted, the password will available by PMing tournament staff (me, matty, and anyone who volunteers to help).

There will be three levels of events: Regular weeks (entry fee of $10+1), Majors (entry fee of $20+2), and the Championship (entry fee of $30+3).

The complete schedule of events is in Post #2 by our scheduling coordinator, Matty.

There will be a statistical competition this year, maintained byMatty in post #3. The following information will be tracked: Events Entered, Money Won, and Points. Points will be based on the system detailed once the event is complete. All standings will be updated within 24-36 hours of event completion barring unforeseen complications. All entrants will be tracked by PokerStars ID. I will not link PokerStars ID to AO ID, but if you play, your playing name (not city) will be posted.

If at any time, there are questions or discrepancies, the decision of the tournament staff is final and binding for the nothing that is affected.

Stats we're keeping (will be in post 3)

Events Played
Money Won (or lost)
Points using the modified cardplayer system
A few other small things

Essentially I'm keeping the $11 events based on the exact system as detailed in CP for 2005, majors will be double points, and the championship will be triple points. Also, for the majors, the top 18 (10-18 same amount) will receive points, and the top 27 (possibly the whole field) in the championship.

Here's the Cardplayer verbatim: Place finished - first place receives 120 points; second place, 100; third place, 80; fourth place, 60; fifth place, 50; sixth place, 40; seventh place, 30; eighth place, 20; ninth place, 10

In majors, 1st would award 240, 9th 20, and 10-18 10.
In the champ, 1st would award 360, 9th 30, 10-18 15, and 19-27 10.

Good luck to all players, may this be the best season yet!

[IMP]

Schedule of Events:

Regulars are 10+1, Majors 20+2, and the Championship is 30+3.


Jun 05 Regular 1
Jun 12 Regular 2
Jun 19 Regular 3
Jun 26 Regular 4
Jul 10 Major 1
Jul 17 Regular 6
Jul 24 Regular 7
Jul 31 Regular 8
Aug 07 Regular 9
Aug 14 Major 2
Aug 21 Regular 11
Aug 28 Regular 12
Sep 04 Regular 13
Sep 11 Regular 14
Sep 18 Major 3
Sep 25 Regular 16
Oct 02 Regular 17
Oct 09 Regular 18
Oct 16 Regular 19
Oct 23 Championship

[IMP]

current rankings:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/MattyKGB2004/ASOP5.jpg

[IMP]

saved for me for no reason other than to save another spot.

[Dooby Scoo]

saved for matty

what a nice lady....can you do this?

[That Goblin]

Dudea I'm so ocnddent that a3la ufh nevemrind.

[Judge Dredd]

Stats we're keeping (will be in post 3)

Events Played
Money Won (or lost)
Points using the modified cardplayer system
A few other small things


Such a long post, but you had to generalize this?????

[IMP]

Such a long post, but you had to generalize this?????:roll: i copied this from spidey's post from last season. funny you didnt ask him this. :roll:

[Judge Dredd]

:roll: i copied this from spidey's post from last season. funny you didnt ask him this. :roll:
I wasn't a poster for the start of ASOP4.

:roll:

Well I guess that explains it. The rest of it made a lot of sense. It was just this part that made me chuckle.

[That Goblin]

My domination of the ACOOP is no accident.

My domination of ASOP V is a foregone conclusion.

With Cohete and Spidur out of the way, can anyone stop me?

I've defeated elephants, Canadians, actuarial drop outs, drama queens...

It wouldn't surprise me to see participation drop as everyone starts to realize that when I'm signed up, everybody else's EV drops to negative.

[Dooby Scoo]

gator, are you running that side pool for the top point scorer that you mentioned in some previous thread?

[IMP]

gator, are you running that side pool for the top point scorer that you mentioned in some previous thread?uh, do what? :duh:

edit: oh, i know what you are talking about. man, my brain is fried.

sure, i will run it. it will be for those that want in as of the first night of ASOP V. there is NO INTENTION to take away from the original purpose of ASOP, so all players are welcome any week, every week, only when they can, etc etc. and it's just good playing with good actuary folk.

but for those that want to put a little greed into it, this side bet will have more money tied to it.

[IMP]

pm me or matty for pwd

[MountainHawk]

starts tonight!!!

[axjoke]

could somebody pm the password?

[fallout]

could somebody pm the password?


Sent.

[MountainHawk]

Sent.
Are you playing fallout? Only 7 people signed up .. .where is everyone?!?!

[fallout]

Are you playing fallout? Only 7 people signed up .. .where is everyone?!?!


Thinking about it.

[fallout]

Are you playing fallout? Only 7 people signed up .. .where is everyone?!?!


Oh sure, tease me with an opportunity to make a FT and then when I get there we have more than 9 <sigh>.

[That Goblin]

I am witnessing ASOP fall from grace. 14 people? WTF?

[knowles]

It's summer. There's beer to be drank and women in tube tops and short skirts to be ogled. Besides, season 4 just ended last week.

[Triweasel]

Great game everybody!

I thought I was dead money after calling with 55 just for comic relief. Turns out it was just the karma boost i needed.:tup:


PokerStars Tournament #25365526, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
22 players
Total Prize Pool: $220.00
Tournament started - 2006/06/05 - 21:00:00 (ET)
Tournament finished - 2006/06/05 - 23:27:10 (ET)
1: triweasel (Goleta), $110.00 (50%)
2: JPette333 (Vancouver), $66.00 (30%)
3: pokerwidow34 (Liberty Twp.), $44.00 (20%)
4: fledma (Hoboken),
5: fallaway (Dorchester),
6: gator8373 (Atlanta),
7: iamapoc (Satellite Beach),
8: teslastyx (Quincy),
9: Sparty27 (Atlanta),
10: Sotally Tobr (Liberty Twp),
11: bizman782 (Philadelphia),
12: nilloc1204 (SP),
13: The Jenn (Lacey),
14: hardinda (Marietta),
15: idiotoutside (Fort Wayne),
16: DoobyScoo (Sun Prairie),
17: Mountainhawk (Salem),
18: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
19: rëdcärd4ü (Harvard),
20: a5chen (Markham),
21: jeffostar (Seattle),
22: Y2Mozz (Secaucus),

You finished in 1st place.

[Stuff]

gg tri!

[fallout]

gg tri, WTG

[Bama Gambler]

there was an ASOP last night? how did i miss that?

[Cohete009]

there was an ASOP last night? how did i miss that?

Umm, u prolly weren't the only one...

[MountainHawk]

I think a lot of people missed it, because there was no chatter in the thread like normal. I tried to warn everyone that came on MSN last night.

[Judge Dredd]

Umm, u prolly weren't the only one...
So I'm not the only one that has toned gator out??? :shrug:

[Cohete009]

So I'm not the only one that has toned gator out??? :shrug:

Earmuffs.

[Judge Dredd]

Earmuffs.
That movie (Old School) is going to be on TBS this weekend.

I am curious how that scene will play out.

[MarktheSharp]

Could someone pm me the password please.

Thank you

[Sotally Tober]

So I'm not the only one that has toned gator out??? :shrug:
tuned?

[Judge Dredd]

tuned?
i not smart

[MountainHawk]

Could someone pm me the password please.

Thank you
sent

[Sotally Tober]

i not smart
i feel your pain

[Cohete009]

i feel your pain

Barry says the cream works wonders.

[Sotally Tober]

Is that how his head got so big? From being not smart, and rubbing the cream on it?

[Bama Gambler]

pm me the password too please

[MountainHawk]

pm me the password too please
sent

[MountainHawk]

Where's the stats update? ;-)

[Matty]

Where's the stats update? ;-)

No sleep. 36 hours. Coming later. Blah.

[Judge Dredd]

No sleep. 36 hours. Coming later. Blah.
you and wino sound so happy about this vegas trip.

[Matty]

you and wino sound so happy about this vegas trip.

It wasn't bad, had a lot of fun. I'm just useless the day after that redeye flight. Creating a new stats spreadsheet takes more brainpower than I can spare right now...surprised I can even type.

[Wino In Training]

I tried to stay awake after the redeye, to no avail. Work is gonna SUCK tomorrow.

[Matty]

ok, here it is.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/MattyKGB2004/ASOP5.jpg

[MountainHawk]

top 10 baby! What a start!

[SCavenger]

Could someone please PM the password to me also?
Thanks.

[MountainHawk]

done

[Judge Dredd]

matty-

you spelled my name wrong.

[MountainHawk]

umlats are cool. Booo Matty! Long live the umlat!

[douglan]

umlats are cool. Booo Matty! Long live the umlat!

lol, nerd alert! nerd alert!

[IMP]

thanks matty.

current rankings will always be in third post.

[Matty]

matty-

you spelled my name wrong.

Go back to Finland.

[Triweasel]

woot!

it's nice to be back where I belong - on top of the leader board:party:

[douglan]

woot!

it's nice to be back where I belong - on top of the leader board:party:

rodents suck :)

good job, tri

[MountainHawk]

Week 2 ... time to have the Hawk eat the rodent, and help remove him for the top of the leaderboard!!!

[IMP]

then look out for this reptile to take over the hawk who took over rodent.

[MountainHawk]

She swallowed the snake to catch the hawk, she swallowed the hawk to catch the rat, she swallowed the rat to catch the spidur, she swallowed the spidur to catch the fly (why oh why would she swallow a fly?)

[Cohete009]

Cohete guesses she'll die.

[IMP]

:rofl:

[MountainHawk]

:lolup: Nicely done Cheeto :D

[Mayor Adam West]

Tonight's the night! I'm fairly excited to play with y'all.

Go easy on the noob, aight? ;)

[JerryGuitar]

I'm fairly excited to play with y'all.please try and contain your excitement.

[IMP]

Tonight's the night! I'm fairly excited to play with y'all.

Go easy on the noob, aight? ;)lawfish will enjoy playing with you. it's been quite a while for him.

[JerryGuitar]

lawfish will enjoy playing with you. it's been quite a while for him.he said "noob" not "boob"

[IMP]

he said "noob" not "boob"at this point, anything is fairgame for him. ;)

[That Goblin]

So anyway. I cashed out all of my poker money except for a hundered or so for playing ASOP. Thank you everyone for creating a habit for me that I can't 100% kick.

PS. If I get arrested for playing in ASOP, I'm going to subpoena each and every one of you.

[bizvegas]

PS. If I get arrested for playing in ASOP, I'm going to subpoena each and every one of you.

Doogie is my lawyer. I will not talk unless he is present.

[Judge Dredd]

So anyway. I cashed out all of my poker money except for a hundered or so for playing ASOP. Thank you everyone for creating a habit for me that I can't 100% kick.

PS. If I get arrested for playing in ASOP, I'm going to subpoena each and every one of you.
I don't think that will do you any good.

[IMP]

who's gonna bubble tonight?

[bizvegas]

who's gonna bubble tonight?

me

[_BullDog_]

What is the prize breakdown if there are more than 27 players?

[That Goblin]

I don't think that will do you any good.You make a good point, JD. Thats why I'm quitting online poker. That and because of the bad beats.

[That Goblin]

who's gonna bubble tonight?I'll give $10 to whomever busts IMP out on the bubble. IMP must be a 60% favorite to win or better when the chips go in according to twodimes.

[Oliver Klozov]

Could someone PM me the password? I can't guarantee I'll play (I have golf tonight).

Hopefully, I'll see everyone there!

[Smooth Verona]

Could I please get the password also? Thanks.

[MountainHawk]

done

[urysohn]

guy shows up two minutes late, and late registration is cut off because jeffo goes home early. Couldn't you just wait one more hand? :lol:

[fallout]

guy shows up two minutes late, and late registration is cut off because jeffo goes home early. Couldn't you just wait one more hand? :lol:


Some guys have a problem with finishing kind of quick.

[IMP]

:rofl:

[IMP]

btw...

there is a reason why the games are set up in advance...so you can register hours/days/weeks early and not worry about showing up late.

[Dooby Scoo]

btw...

there is a reason why the games are set up in advance...so you can register hours/days/weeks early and not worry about showing up late.

I showed up at 7:58 and it took 4 min to download the new software. Baaah to you AND JEFFOCRAPPY. gg

[Cohete009]

USA USA USA!!!

Believe the hype!

[That Goblin]

So anyway. This story is for the benefit of everyone who saw my bust out hand against MH and my subsequent meltdown. I eventually said "F this sh*t, I'm going to go play live poker."

After playing 3/6 limit for 10 minutes and getting AA busted once, I have a dream hand.

AA.
Capped 4 handed preflop
Flop of AKK
Capped 3 way on the flop
turn completed the flush
Capped 3 way on the turn
River was a blank
Got 1 more bet from each player.

Took me 3 hands to stack up all them chips.

[MountainHawk]

Please post the email.

Nice hand, jeffo. I was waiting for you to say someone had KK at the end.

[Y2Mozz]

Someone post the hand where Cheets knocked out three of us.

[Cohete009]

Would post email and the hand, but can't get to personal email here. :(

GG all. Long live the USA!

[Matty]

Someone post the hand where Cohete called off half his stack with QT and hit :)

[Cohete009]

Someone post the hand where Cohete called off half his stack with QT and hit :)

But it was sooted. ;)

You risk too much of your stack preflop. Cohete will outplay you post flop, you broke too many rules HU. And eventually, it bit you in the butt.

[_BullDog_]

Thanks matty, I will have to try and make it back.

[KnightsPG]

Someone post the hand where Cohete called off half his stack with QT and hit :)

Must have been his lucky hand. That is what knocked me out on the bubble. Cohete - I moved in from the SB for about 5-6 x the BB with Ax and you called instantly with QT. Afterwards you said it was basic SNG strategy. I can guess, but I am curious what you meant.

My guess - I'm short stack so you think I will move in with any two. Having two face cards is an easy call since (a) you will sometimes be ahead or at a near coin toss with some added chips already in the pot and (b) it will not knock you out.

Good win last night. BTW - I'm not complaining about this call at all, just wanted to hear your insight.

[Cohete009]

This happens a ton during end game sng's on party. You get to 4-5 people left, and the blinds get huge. Although we always would prefer to put our chips in first, there comes a time where you have to get lucky or go home since folding equity -->> 0 when short stacked and short handed.

And when it does become a battle of the blinds, have seen many a player push all in with any 2, 5 high, T high, etc. Maybe they have a hand, and if they do, just hoping for two lives. And in that situation, knew that you would push with any Ace, any K, any small pair, or even a hand like JTs or worse.

The only place cohete cares about in asop's is first place, so this was an easy gamble. In sng's it can be a little bit tougher since you want to get in the money, but sometimes you have to just go with gut instinct, and gambool.

[Cohete009]

Someone post the hand where Cohete called off half his stack with QT and hit :)
*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #5237844276: Tournament #25365440, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level X (400/800) - 2006/06/12 - 23:26:59 (ET)
Table '25365440 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Cohete009 (17708 in chips)
Seat 8: MattyKGB2004 (27292 in chips)
Cohete009: posts the ante 50
MattyKGB2004: posts the ante 50
Cohete009: posts small blind 400
MattyKGB2004: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cohete009 [Qc Tc]
Cohete009: raises 800 to 1600
MattyKGB2004: raises 6400 to 8000
Cohete009: calls 6400
*** FLOP *** [Td 3s 9s]
MattyKGB2004: bets 17600
Cohete009: calls 9658 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Td 3s 9s] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Td 3s 9s Ks] [2h]
gator8373 [observer] said, "ewwwwww"
Cohete009 said, "oops"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MattyKGB2004: shows [4s 4h] (a pair of Fours)
Cohete009: shows [Qc Tc] (a pair of Tens)
Cohete009 collected 35416 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 35416 | Rake 0
Board [Td 3s 9s Ks 2h]
Seat 2: Cohete009 (button) (small blind) showed [Qc Tc] and won (35416) with a
pair of Tens
Seat 8: MattyKGB2004 (big blind) showed [4s 4h] and lost with a pair of Fours

[Cohete009]

Please post the email.

Nice hand, jeffo. I was waiting for you to say someone had KK at the end.

PokerStars Tournament #25365440, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
30 players
Total Prize Pool: $300.00
Tournament started - 2006/06/12 - 21:00:00 (ET)
Tournament finished - 2006/06/12 - 23:27:57 (ET)
1: Cohete009 (Waukesha), $120.00 (40%)
2: MattyKGB2004 (Thornhill), $72.00 (24%)
3: iamapoc (Satellite Beach), $48.00 (16%)
4: teslastyx (Quincy), $36.00 (12%)
5: triweasel (Goleta), $24.00 (8%)
6: Bama Gambler (Hoover),
7: KnightsPG (Eden Prairie),
8: bizman782 (Philadelphia),
9: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
10: JPette333 (Vancouver),
11: BullDog4896 (xxxx),
12: SCavenger35 (manlius),
13: Sparty27 (Atlanta),
14: fledma (Hoboken),
15: DwtnToronto (Toronto),
16: fetalposn (Mississauga),
17: pokerwidow34 (Liberty Twp.),
18: Dionysos7 (Toronto),
19: rhizome (Tampa),
20: rëdcärd4ü (Harvard),
21: nilloc1204 (SP),
22: justice_hole (seattle),
23: fallaway (Dorchester),
24: tootry2 (Here),
25: Mountainhawk (Salem),
26: DblDownTrent (Charlotte),
27: gator8373 (Atlanta),
28: Y2Mozz (Secaucus),
29: FourJacks (Lansing),
30: jeffostar (Seattle),

You finished in 1st place.

[Cohete009]

Someone post the hand where Cheets knocked out three of us.
*********** # 18 **************
PokerStars Game #5236112876: Tournament #25365440, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit -
Level I (10/20) - 2006/06/12 - 21:13:28 (ET)
Table '25365440 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Y2Mozz (1640 in chips)
Seat 2: JPette333 (1430 in chips)
Seat 4: FourJacks (800 in chips)
Seat 6: gator8373 (1740 in chips)
Seat 7: nilloc1204 (1960 in chips)
Seat 8: Mountainhawk (1600 in chips)
Seat 9: Cohete009 (2830 in chips)
nilloc1204: posts small blind 10
Mountainhawk: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cohete009 [Kd Ks]
Cohete009: raises 60 to 80
Y2Mozz: raises 1560 to 1640 and is all-in
JPette333: folds
FourJacks: calls 800 and is all-in
gator8373: raises 100 to 1740 and is all-in
nilloc1204: folds
Mountainhawk: folds
Cohete009: calls 1660
jeffostar [observer] said, "DUUUUDE WTF"
*** FLOP *** [8s 5s Ad]
FourJacks said, "holy crap"
*** TURN *** [8s 5s Ad] [2s]
JPette333 said, "wow"
FourJacks said, "queeeeeeeeeeeeen"
*** RIVER *** [8s 5s Ad 2s] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Cohete009: shows [Kd Ks] (a flush, King high)
gator8373: shows [Js Jd] (a flush, Jack high)
JPette333 said, "lol"
Cohete009 said, "ty"
Cohete009 collected 200 from side pot-2
Y2Mozz: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Aces)
gator8373 said, "i didnt see cohete in there"
Y2Mozz said, ":("
Cohete009 collected 2520 from side pot-1
FourJacks: shows [Ac Qc] (a pair of Aces)
FourJacks said, "f"
jeffostar [observer] said, "suuuuuuuuuuuuuck"
FourJacks said, "f"
gator8373 said, "damn"
FourJacks said, "f"
FourJacks said, "f"
Cohete009 collected 3230 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5950 Main pot 3230. Side pot-1 2520. Side pot-2 200. | Rake 0
Board [8s 5s Ad 2s 3s]
Seat 1: Y2Mozz showed [Ah Kc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: JPette333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: FourJacks showed [Ac Qc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: gator8373 (button) showed [Js Jd] and lost with a flush, Jack high
Seat 7: nilloc1204 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Mountainhawk (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Cohete009 showed [Kd Ks] and won (5950) with a flush, King high

[Matty]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/MattyKGB2004/ASOP5.jpg

[joe robot]

Hey Matty, I wanted to thank you again for the buyin. I had a good time, even though I busted out on a hand I played like a total donkey.

I would like to play again, but I am moving cross country over the next few weeks. Hopefully I can catch up later this season...

[JustASix]

Does anyone know what the deal was with those people that kept coming and asking for a dollar? Were those people you know? Does that happen a lot?
I just thought it was odd.

[Judge Dredd]

Does anyone know what the deal was with those people that kept coming and asking for a dollar? Were those people you know? Does that happen a lot?
I just thought it was odd.
it happens a lot in private games.

There are no chat restrictions in those games, so you get that more. I don't know why there are not chat restrictions....should be the same rules.

[IMP]

matty, can you fix the rankings. i'm seeing week 1 only. thanks

[Triweasel]

you could try hitting refresh on your browser - worked for me

[IMP]

you could try hitting refresh on your browser - worked for me:duh: ty

[Triweasel]

:duh: ty
yw:dsmile:

[That Goblin]

matty, can you fix the rankings. i'm seeing me in last place. that isnt right. thanks

[Cohete009]

:bump:

Cohete going back to back tonite (asop wins).

Get out the way, the cohete train coming full speed.

Whoo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bama Gambler]

Stop that train, I wanna get off.

[Cohete009]

Its gonna take a lot more than asking the conductor to stop this train.

[Triweasel]

i can't play tonight or next week, so i think we should postpone the asop until after vegas, in case cohete manages to get on top of the leader board - we dont want that kind of whiny smacktalk when we get there:exams:

[IMP]

i can't play tonight or next week, so i think we should postpone the asop until after vegas, in case cohete manages to get on top of the leader board - we dont want that kind of whiny smacktalk when we get there:exams:postpone this!

http://www.rockinosu.warp0.com/images/baby_middle_finger.jpg

[Triweasel]

ok, you better take him out tonight then
dont say i didnt warn you guys

[That Goblin]

:bump:

Cohete going back to back tonite (asop wins).

Get out the way, the cohete train coming full speed.

Whoo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$10 bounty to anybody who busts this clown in the first two levels tonight. Shut him up!

[IMP]

i hope the same noobs from last week and even more will join us tonight. come one come all!!

[bizvegas]

:bump:

Cohete going back to back tonite (asop wins).

Get out the way, the cohete train coming full speed.

Whoo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ever see the movie derailed with jean claude van damme? my advice is to just watch yourself.

[bizvegas]

i hope the same noobs from last week and even more will join us tonight. come one come all!!

this noob will be there

[Dooby Scoo]

i hope the same noobs from last week and even more will join us tonight. come one come all!!

I hope they join, and I hope I can get there b4 jeffo busts.

[_BullDog_]

It doesn't look like I will be able to make it this week, but I will try.

[MisterJed]

That was fun guys. I made a questionable call to knock me out, but oh well.

Here's one hand you guys might like:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?379666

I think I'll play next week too, see you then!

[bizvegas]

story of my life

PokerStars Game #5305462765: Tournament #25649623, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/06/19 - 22:10:39 (ET)
Table '25649623 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: ketel1Nclub (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: JPette333 (4005 in chips)
Seat 5: fallaway (1710 in chips)
Seat 6: BigBamaBear (5635 in chips)
Seat 8: bizman782 (882 in chips)
Seat 9: KnightsPG (3180 in chips)
BigBamaBear: posts small blind 75
bizman782: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bizman782 [7d 7s]
KnightsPG: raises 300 to 450
ketel1Nclub: folds
JPette333: folds
fallaway: folds
BigBamaBear: folds
bizman782: raises 432 to 882 and is all-in
KnightsPG: calls 432
*** FLOP *** [As 3c 4h]
*** TURN *** [As 3c 4h] [8d]
fallaway said, "hey BBB I live in charlotte too... who are you?"
*** RIVER *** [As 3c 4h 8d] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bizman782: shows [7d 7s] (a pair of Sevens)
KnightsPG: shows [3s 3h] (three of a kind, Threes)
ketel1Nclub said, "gg"
JPette333 said, "gg biz"
KnightsPG collected 1839 from pot
KnightsPG said, "sorry biz, gg"
fallaway said, "gg biz"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1839 | Rake 0
Board [As 3c 4h 8d Qh]
Seat 3: ketel1Nclub folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JPette333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: fallaway (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BigBamaBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: bizman782 (big blind) showed [7d 7s] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: KnightsPG showed [3s 3h] and won (1839) with three of a kind, Threes

[MountainHawk]

PokerStars Tournament #25649623, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
26 players
Total Prize Pool: $260.00
Tournament started - 2006/06/19 - 21:00:00 (ET) Tournament finished - 2006/06/19 - 22:52:27 (ET)
1: Mountainhawk (Salem), $130.00 (50%)
2: KnightsPG (Eden Prairie), $78.00 (30%)
3: DoobyScoo (Sun Prairie), $52.00 (20%)
4: JPette333 (Vancouver),
5: gator8373 (Atlanta),
6: BigBamaBear (Charlotte),
7: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
8: fallaway (Dorchester),
9: ketel1Nclub (Edgars),
10: NotMike (Naperville),
11: bizman782 (Philadelphia),
12: Cohete009 (Waukesha),
13: rkdcdrd4| (Harvard),
14: rawl316 (Norristown),
15: iamapoc (Satellite Beach),
16: Y2Mozz (Secaucus),
17: Roto Commish (Downingtown),
18: DwtnToronto (Toronto),
19: MisterJed (Felton),
20: MattyKGB2004 (Thornhill),
21: Dionysos7 (Toronto),
22: Sparty27 (Atlanta),
23: urysohn (Strafford),
24: SCavenger35 (manlius),
25: jeffostar (Seattle),
26: teslastyx (Quincy),

[Matty]

Congrats Hawk!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/MattyKGB2004/ASOP5.jpg

[IMP]

it must be the end of the world...

MH won an ASOP! OMFG!! hehehe, wtg!

[MountainHawk]

Hey now ... I think this is 3 or 4 wins for me.

[Y2Mozz]

last place ftw

[Matty]

last place ftw

Sorry Mozz - the tiebreakers are profit and then alphabetical. If you were A2Mozz you wouldn't be at the bottom. :)

[bizvegas]

gg everyone, and congrats on the win hawk. hell has definitely frozen over.

[That Goblin]

I am really starting to hate ASOP.

[rawl316]

I am really starting to hate ASOP.
be positive, you improved on the previous week's finish... baby steps.

[douglan]

I am really starting to hate ASOP.

blasphemy!

[Capt Hilts]

That was fun guys. I made a questionable call to knock me out, but oh well.

Here's one hand you guys might like:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?379666

I think I'll play next week too, see you then!


Looks like I made the right laydown then :)

[douglan]

:bump:

No smack talk today?!?! Don't you people know that I live vicariously through ya'll? Especially on Mondays!

[Dooby Scoo]

:bump:

No smack talk today?!?! Don't you people know that I live vicariously through ya'll? Especially on Mondays!

you suck, how's that?

wait, do you even play?

[douglan]

you suck, how's that?


true, but very weak...cohete-esque wit. ;)



wait, do you even play?

not really. remember, I suck!

[IMP]

i am registering now, but i may be late and tipsy when i get logged on. free money. oh...wait...how is that different from any other week? :roll:

[wat?]

i am registering now, but i may be late and tipsy when i get logged on.

Please don't disappoint us, Ms. "big bagls".

[That Goblin]

I have busted in the first 2 levels every week so far. WTF. I hate you all. Esepcialnav.. Nevermind. ugh.

[douglan]

Who won last night? I hope it was Not Mike! That means my chips would have come in handy!

lousy 55! :(

[Judge Dredd]

Who won last night? I hope it was Not Mike! That means my chips would have come in handy!

lousy 55! :(
what do you have against Mike?

Why don't you want him to win?

Hater.

[Not Mike]

Who won last night? I hope it was Not Mike! That means my chips would have come in handy!

lousy 55! :(

The chips did come in handy, I finally broke through...

Not sure how, but I managed to outlast Bama HU. Flopping quads was a nice way to end it.

[douglan]

what do you have against Mike?

Why don't you want him to win?

Hater.

LOL - I knew you would chime in on that post. ;)

[douglan]

The chips did come in handy, I finally broke through...

Not sure how, but I managed to outlast Bama HU. Flopping quads was a nice way to end it.

BOOM!

Congrats, NM.

[Smooth Verona]

I dislike 55 too. I had JJ and lost to 55. I continue to play jacks poorly.
I dislike ASOPs. I dislike PS. I enjoy live games so much more. Good luck everyone going to Vegas. Enjoy.

[MountainHawk]

Someone post the email por favor. :)

[urysohn]

PokerStars Tournament #25649669, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
23 players
Total Prize Pool: $230.00
Tournament started - 2006/06/26 - 21:00:00 (ET)
Tournament finished - 2006/06/26 - 23:47:03 (ET)
1: NotMike (Naperville), $115.00 (50%)
2: Bama Gambler (Hoover), $69.00 (30%)
3: teslastyx (Quincy), $46.00 (20%)
4: DoobyScoo (Sun Prairie),
5: urysohn (Strafford),
6: gator8373 (Atlanta),
7: Is guhn RAIN (San Antonio),
8: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
9: 2oyBoy (Kenosha),
10: Cohete009 (Waukesha),
11: MisterJed (Felton),
12: hardinda (Marietta),
13: fledma (Hoboken),
14: nilloc1204 (SP),
15: Y2Mozz (Secaucus),
16: IU Mullet (Indianapolis),
17: Mountainhawk (Salem),
18: DwtnToronto (Toronto),
19: DblDownTrent (Charlotte),
20: jeffostar (Seattle),
21: douglan (Chicago),
22: Dionysos7 (Toronto),
23: MattyKGB2004 (Thornhill)

[IMP]

:bump:

game on tomorrow night. it's the first major...$20+2. PM if you need the pwd. gle!

[That Goblin]

Prediction:

I put my money in with the best hand. I get sucked out on. Level 1 or 2.

[IMP]

matty, were the stats updated for the last game on the 26th?

[Matty]

matty, were the stats updated for the last game on the 26th?

No - so hire douglan and sue me :wink:

I'll update both after tomorrow's game.

[IMP]

No - so hire douglan and sue me :wink:

I'll update both after tomorrow's game.i hear you are a good actuary and a better poker player. maybe i will, i need to money. i am neither a good actuary nor a better poker player. :razz:

[Matty]

:bump:
1st major of the season tonight, also 1st post-Vegas event and first one after the 2 week break. Should be a good one.

[MountainHawk]

First major huh ... I guess I'll have to get the ASOP record book spreadsheet ready to go for season 5 so I can update the post sometime this week.

[IMP]

come take my $20. eazy money. see ya at the tables :)

[MountainHawk]

Someone please post the email. Thanks :)

[Matty]

Did Notmike go back to back? Well done.

[foghorn]

Did Notmike go back to back? Well done.

I believe he did. Yes, well done NM.

[Judge Dredd]

Not Mike = ASOP ownage.

[Not Mike]

Yeah, a lucky run.... the monster suckout to end it, getting it all-in preflop with A9 against hardinda's AA then picking up the runner runner straight.

By the way, what's "the email"... the only email I have says "you won, congrats, thanks for playing"... is there a different email with the full listing?


Maybe my game is peaking at the right time for that Sunday afternoon WSOP event....

[MountainHawk]

You have to request the tourney summary from PS in options, and it sends the full listing of finishes, along with the time started and finished, payouts, etc.

[fallout]

By the way, what's "the email"... the only email I have says "you won, congrats, thanks for playing"... is there a different email with the full listing?




I dream of someday getting that e-mail. <sigh>

[Sotally Tober]

Someone please post the email. Thanks :)
I'll post it in a minute.

[Sotally Tober]

PokerStars Tournament #26462645, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $20.00/$2.00
22 players
Total Prize Pool: $440.00
Tournament started - 2006/07/10 - 21:00:00 (ET)
Tournament finished - 2006/07/10 - 23:19:47 (ET)
1: NotMike (Naperville), $220.00 (50%)
2: hardinda (Marietta), $132.00 (30%)
3: txtd (Fort Mill), $88.00 (20%)
4: fledma (Hoboken),
5: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
6: Mountainhawk (Salem),
7: fallaway (Dorchester),
8: SCavenger35 (manlius),
9: DblDownTrent (Charlotte),
10: DoobyScoo (Sun Prairie),
11: DwtnToronto (Toronto),
12: JPette333 (Vancouver),
13: Bama Gambler (Hoover),
14: iamapoc (Satellite Beach),
15: teslastyx (Quincy),
16: Dionysos7 (Toronto),
17: jeffostar (Seattle),
18: MattyKGB2004 (Thornhill),
19: nilloc1204 (SP),
20: triweasel (Goleta),
21: twolf187 (Overland Park),
22: gator8373 (Atlanta),

[Bama Gambler]

Yeah, a lucky run.... the monster suckout to end it, getting it all-in preflop with A9 against hardinda's AA then picking up the runner runner straight.

By the way, what's "the email"... the only email I have says "you won, congrats, thanks for playing"... is there a different email with the full listing?


Maybe my game is peaking at the right time for that Sunday afternoon WSOP event....Don't forget the $5k pot vs me with about 14 left, allin preflop with AK against my KK. If I win that one I have over $7k and steamroll to a W. ;)

[Mo' 5!]

Good job NM. I peeked in for a few hands HU last night and saw the AJ (you) vs AT (hardinda). Flop was AAT. Turn J. :)

[douglan]

Don't forget the $5k pot vs me with about 14 left, allin preflop with AK against my KK. If I win that one I have over $7k and steamroll to a W. ;)

sure you do, bama...sure you do...:roll:

;)

[hardinda]

Yeah, not much was going my way last night. Finished 19th in the Omaha rebuy when my AAKK dbl suited lost to the luckbox bigstacks QTJ3 one suiter.

[MountainHawk]

Good job NM ... I'll update the record book at some point tonight or tomorrow night... have to do the season prep work for the file for season 5 yet, so a bit longer of a process than normal.

[Not Mike]

Don't forget the $5k pot vs me with about 14 left, allin preflop with AK against my KK. If I win that one I have over $7k and steamroll to a W. ;)
Well yeah, but an A always hits, no worries on that one.

[Matty]

No surprise who's in the lead now.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/MattyKGB2004/ASOP5.jpg

[MountainHawk]

I'm #2. Woah.

[Matty]

I'm #2. Woah.

That's the surprise :wink:

[IMP]

if it wasn't for season 5, i'd be profitable in asops. :swear:

[fallout]

if it wasn't for season 5, i'd be profitable in asops. :swear:


If it wasn't for the first 5 seasons, I'd be even.

[Dooby Scoo]

no wonder we had 18 people. I found this at the bottom of the first page.

PokerStars Tournament #26461922, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
18 players
Total Prize Pool: $180.00
Tournament started - 2006/07/17 - 21:00:00 (ET) Tournament finished - 2006/07/17 - 23:36:53 (ET)
1: DoobyScoo (Sun Prairie), $90.00 (50%)
2: Bama Gambler (Hoover), $54.00 (30%)
3: fallaway (Dorchester), $36.00 (20%)
4: markthesharp (Lansdale),
5: teslastyx (Quincy),
6: Dionysos7 (Toronto),
7: fledma (Hoboken),
8: hardinda (Marietta),
9: NotMike (Naperville),
10: rkdcdrd4| (Harvard),
11: ketel1Nclub (Edgars),
12: IU Mullet (Indianapolis),
13: iamapoc (Satellite Beach),
14: triweasel (Goleta),
15: Mountainhawk (Salem),
16: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
17: DwtnToronto (Toronto),
18: MattyKGB2004 (Thornhill),
You finished in 1st place.

[Matty]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/MattyKGB2004/ASOP5.jpg[/quote]

[That Goblin]

What do I need to do to get back into last place?

[fallout]

What do I need to do to get back into last place?


Just be yourself.

[That Goblin]

Just be yourself.
:rimshot:

[Judge Dredd]

Mo...are you playing tonight?

[Mo' 5!]

Mo...are you playing tonight?
Sure. Only thing is I don't know the PWD. PM anyone?

[fallout]

Sure. Only thing is I don't know the PWD. PM anyone?

Sent.

[That Goblin]

Sure. Only thing is I don't know the PWD. PM anyone?Don't forget to sign up before the top of the hour.

[Mo' 5!]

Don't forget to sign up before the top of the hour.
Why? No late registrations?

[That Goblin]

Why? No late registrations?Not if exactly 9x people show up.

[fallout]

Not if exactly 9x people show up.


Or if someone busts **cough dorm cough** on the first hand.

[Dooby Scoo]

Not if exactly 9x people show up.

This is not true at all. Stars always leaves empty seats.

[MountainHawk]

This is not true at all. Stars always leaves empty seats.
Well ...


If there are 15 or less people registered at seating, it will open 2 tables. If 3 more people then register, registration is closed from that point on. Once people are seated, they will not add any more tables.

[douglan]

Or if someone busts **cough dorm cough** on the first hand.

:lolup:

[IMP]

i predict i cash tonight

[Karn]

Can someone PM me the PW asap?

[Karn]

I'm in. Thanks Sotally

[MountainHawk]

(a) Why post that here? The ASOP is a tourney, not a ring game, so the advice is useless.

(b) He doesn't say anything about a raise and a reraise like you said.

(c) You didn't even have the 8-1 he mentions.

[wat?]

(c) You didn't even have the 8-1 he mentions.

:lol:

Man, one of these days, I'm gonna at least watch the ASOP.

[IMP]

lol i deleted the article right before or during your post MH.

i told you in msn that you might find the article interesting. it was just about set mining. and it had been so long since i read it that i forgot it was just about ring. and i dont remember all the details of it so of course i dont remember all the numbers he mentioned.

[MountainHawk]

lol i deleted the article right before or during your post MH.

i told you in msn that you might find the article interesting. it was just about set mining. and it had been so long since i read it that i forgot it was just about ring. and i dont remember all the details of it so of course i dont remember all the numbers he mentioned.
Yup, facts are sure inconveinent when you are wrong.

[IMP]

Yup, facts are sure inconveinent when you are wrong.:shake: i am not even going to conitnue this. you can make all the ridiculous untruthful comments you want to here and on msn. i know why i pulled the article. and, i am done discussing this with you.

if anyone wants to see the article, i will be happy to add it back on here.

[IMP]

i predict i cash tonightwell, i was sure in the running. but bubbled. :shrug:

[BeanCounter]

Two weeks ago I decided to quit, but couldn't live with seeing my name in last place and I had nothing else to do tonight, so I changed my mind and decided to play. Glad I did. GG everyone. Sorry to see you bubble, Gator.

PokerStars Tournament #26462764, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
22 players
Total Prize Pool: $220.00
Tournament started - 2006/07/24 - 21:00:00 (ET)
Tournament finished - 2006/07/24 - 23:18:15 (ET)
1: nilloc1204 (SP), $110.00 (50%)
2: triweasel (Goleta), $66.00 (30%)
3: Sotally Tobr (Liberty Twp), $44.00 (20%)
4: gator8373 (Atlanta),
5: fledma (Hoboken),
6: Bama Gambler (Hoover),
7: JerryGuitar (South Euclid),
8: rjinnj (Jersey City),
9: pokerwidow34 (Liberty Twp.),
10: DblDownTrent (Charlotte),
11: hardinda (Marietta),
12: txtd (Fort Mill),
13: Sparty27 (Atlanta),
14: RedCowboy (Lynchburg),
15: Dionysos7 (Toronto),
16: DoobyScoo (Sun Prairie),
17: jeffostar (Seattle),
18: MattyKGB2004 (Thornhill),
19: grabill (Fort Wayne),
20: ActURE (Bloomington),
21: fallaway (Dorchester),
22: Mountainhawk (Salem),

You finished in 1st place (eliminated at hand #5672357992).

[MountainHawk]

well, i was sure in the running. but bubbled. :shrug:
gator ... failed to cash? I'm stunned.

[fallout]

Boy some people take getting beat worse than others.

[MountainHawk]

Nothing to do with losing. Everything to do with gator refusing to admit she was wrong last night, even after posting her article that she claimed backed her up, but showed she was wrong.

[Judge Dredd]

I'd love to see the hand in question.

[fallout]

Nothing to do with losing. Everything to do with gator refusing to admit she was wrong last night, even after posting her article that she claimed backed her up, but showed she was wrong.


Poker <> math. I probably make the same play she did early on in an ASOP.
Then again, if you judge playing well by matching the text books, I stink (and will continue to stink as I refuse to play that way.

Seriously, let it go. ASOPs are for fun.

[fallout]

I'd love to see the hand in question.


My recollection...

Very early all stacks = around 1,500

Gator in SB with 88
MH in mid position with (I believe AK)
Matty? in late position with (I believe AQ)

MH raises to 60, Matty to 200, gator calls with her 88, MH calls.

The play that is causing all the contraversy is gator's bad call with a mid pocket pair OOP.

Of course if the flop is not A8x this hand is not being discussed this morning (or ever).

[MountainHawk]

gator in SB, me in MP, DDT on Button.

folds to me, I raise to 80 with AdK folds to DDT, who makes it 200 or 240 to go ... I think it was 200, but not positive. gator flat calls, I call.

Flop was TK8, 2 diamonds. Gator makes some tiny bet (1/3 pot or something like that), I raise to something like 600, DDT folds, gator pushes, I call. She has 88.

All I want her to admit is you don't have implied odds to call 200 with 88 out of position preflop. I ranted at her push last night too, but that was wrong, because I forgot I had raised so much.

If she's LUCKY, she's staring at 3 overcards to her pair, maybe even 4. At worst the reraiser has a higher pair and she's in a world of hurt. I'm all for set chasing, but not early in a tournament when you are facing a raise AND a reraise, and you are OOP.

[DblDownTrent]

it is a good discussion hand. it was like the 3rd hand, MP, hawk opens 4x to 80, I pop it up to 200 on the button, gator calls 190 more from the sb, flop 8TK, gator bet out 200, hawk reraised I folded, money got all in. gator 88, hawk AK, me irrelevant but AQ.


It's not a call I make with 88 from the small blind with an MP raise and a button reraise, and I think it was mathematically incorrect, but given that MH did the initial raise (which doesn't really define a range - no offense MH, but you've got a pretty loose image preflop in these) and it was me that reraised on the button, maybe gator knew that neither of us were very strong.

Since she's gonna be out of position with 88, it's pretty safe to say she's not winning anymore without a set, and the few times she may, you can offset that with the times she's going to lose when she does it a set. so she needs to win about 9x - 10x her original call to make it a good call, which is bigger than either of our remaining stacks - I doubt she's stacking both of us if she hits a set.

I would bet that if that exact hand is played out 1,000,000+ times, it's a -ev play, but I've been known to be wrong before.

[Matty]

ok here's my breakdown:

Arguments in favor of a call:
- Your threshold goes down a little bit from 8:1/10:1/whatever it normally is because you're in a 3 way pot and there's a chance you can take them both for a ride.
- Usually in an ASOP a strong reraise preflop indicates a very strong hand, which you want DDT to have so you have good implied odds.

Arguments in favor of a fold:
- MH's table image. You want your opponents to have AA/KK here but we've all seen Hawk raise in EP with 74o. If you want to stack him he's going to have to hit the flop hard and you're going to have to hit it harder. Unlikely.
- MH's table image. Everyone knows he's LAG, including DDT. DDT's reraise range is going to be wider because of it.
- MH's table image. He's going to have action back to him after you call. If he's screwing around, he's going to fold and you lose your multiway advantage. If he actually has a hand, he's probably going to re-pop it and now you don't even get to see a flop.

I'd fold it.

[Judge Dredd]

It's not a call I make with 88 from the small blind with an MP raise and a button reraise, and I think it was mathematically incorrect, but given that MH did the initial raise (which doesn't really define a range - no offense MH, but you've got a pretty loose image preflop in these) and it was me that reraised on the button, maybe gator knew that neither of us were very strong.

agreed...and to add on to what you said, she wasn't closing the action with her call.

So I think you are spot on with regard to who raised (again, no offense to MH, as I know your ASOP style to be much different than your "normal" style) and then your reraise to isolate.

I still think 9x-10x is about right for set chasing. I know jayhawk (I think it was jayhawk...could be wrong) would advocate 20x for set chasing...(and I think he has VERY valid reasons for that argument)

But I think we can all agree it has to be more than the 7.5-1 that is offered for flopping a set, since you have to build into account that you won't always get paid for flopping your set, AND, you won't always win when you flop a set.

[MountainHawk]

Noone palys attention during ASOP, do they? I looked it up, and I'm seeing less than 15% of flops in the last 10 ASOPs I've played. I'm not always LAG. ;-) I suppose I need to accept that's the table image though. Damn ASOP 3 experiment.

[Matty]

Noone palys attention during ASOP, do they? I looked it up, and I'm seeing less than 15% of flops in the last 10 ASOPs I've played. I'm not always LAG. ;-) I suppose I need to accept that's the table image though. Damn ASOP 3 experiment.

I've seen you raise with trash from EP a few times this season too...

[fallout]

You can still make a straight or simply beat out an AK or AQ with no improvement. <shrug>

[MountainHawk]

I've seen you raise with trash from EP a few times this season too...
Yes, usually if (a) there hasn't been a flop for a while and (b) I haven't played a hand for an orbit or so. I can try to play tighter, but I get bored if I don't try anything for 15 hands. I'll never be one of those people that can have 6% flops seen if they have a run of bad cards.

[Dooby Scoo]

I like the call with the 88 there. I probably make it too. I did it once and took down AA and KK. You can't win if you don't take chances.

Not sure what the squabble is about, but nice play gator.

How come no one is talking about my raise with 46s and catching a 6 on the flop and runner runner boat to beat a flush or whatever from I forget who.

[Matty]

You can still make a straight or simply beat out an AK or AQ with no improvement. <shrug>

Sure you can...but say you have 88 in a 3 way raised and reraised pot and the flop comes J95. Action to you - what do you do?

[Judge Dredd]

Yes, usually if (a) there hasn't been a flop for a while and (b) I haven't played a hand for an orbit or so. I can try to play tighter, but I get bored if I don't try anything for 15 hands. I'll never be one of those people that can have 6% flops seen if they have a run of bad cards.
well, before you get too defensive on your playing style....I don't think anyone is trashing it.

I think there is a negative connotation with "loose" but I know (well, I don't know him) a guy who just won $1.4MM with that style. ;)

ASOPs are traditionally rock gardens. You need the freakin jaws of life to loosen it up. There's nothing wrong with getting some raises in to earn some action for yourself.

[MountainHawk]

You can still make a straight or simply beat out an AK or AQ with no improvement. <shrug>
Assuming you are up against AK/AQ ... which is a GOOD thing for 88 in this case, you are a dog. They have a combined 8 outs 5 times against you,

You are about 40% to win that hand. And God help you if it is AJs and KQh or something like that.

[JustASix]

gator in SB, me in MP, DDT on Button.

folds to me, I raise to 80 with AdK folds to DDT, who makes it 200 or 240 to go ... I think it was 200, but not positive. gator flat calls, I call.

Flop was TK8, 2 diamonds. Gator makes some tiny bet (1/3 pot or something like that), I raise to something like 600, DDT folds, gator pushes, I call. She has 88.

All I want her to admit is you don't have implied odds to call 200 with 88 out of position preflop. I ranted at her push last night too, but that was wrong, because I forgot I had raised so much.

If she's LUCKY, she's staring at 3 overcards to her pair, maybe even 4. At worst the reraiser has a higher pair and she's in a world of hurt. I'm all for set chasing, but not early in a tournament when you are facing a raise AND a reraise, and you are OOP.
Does anyone else think that Gator is not the only one who played this hand less than optimally?

[MountainHawk]

well, before you get too defensive on your playing style....I don't think anyone is trashing it.

I think there is a negative connotation with "loose" but I know (well, I don't know him) a guy who just won $1.4MM with that style. ;)

ASOPs are traditionally rock gardens. You need the freakin jaws of life to loosen it up. There's nothing wrong with getting some raises in to earn some action for yourself.
OK, fair enough. I'm in a pretty grouchy mood these days. I'll just back off this for now for the sake of everyone involved.

[MountainHawk]

Does anyone else think that Gator is not the only one who played this hand less than optimally?
I played it dumb post flop. I admit to that. The whole point is her admitting she played it dumb pre-flop.

[Judge Dredd]

OK, fair enough. I'm in a pretty grouchy mood these days. I'll just back off this for now for the sake of everyone involved.
nah its ok. Its not a bad discussion. Just trying to keep ya level (with all that stuff going on outside of poker in mind as a backdrop) before it got off course.

I know...imagine ME being the referee. :rofl:

[Dooby Scoo]

I'm not risking all my chips early on unless I have a set or better.

[Dooby Scoo]

I played it dumb post flop. I admit to that. The whole point is her admitting she played it dumb pre-flop.

If she admits this, I'm going to choke myself.

I make this same play with 88 and above and I like it. Like it was said above, this place is a rock garden and plays like this is how you open it up. When your 8 hits with that A or K, you are getting most people's money.

[DblDownTrent]

You can still make a straight or simply beat out an AK or AQ with no improvement. <shrug>

agreed, but it's going to be very hard out of position... if she was on the button, it'd be a different story.

[fallout]

Sure you can...but say you have 88 in a 3 way raised and reraised pot and the flop comes J95. Action to you - what do you do?


Typically check fold, unless he makes a stupid small bet.

[Dooby Scoo]

BTW, nice game Bean. Glad to see you making a comeback.

[DblDownTrent]

If she admits this, I'm going to choke myself.

I make this same play with 88 and above and I like it. Like it was said above, this place is a rock garden and plays like this is how you open it up. When your 8 hits with that A or K, you are getting most people's money.

IMO, it's a bad call with 88 in that spot. you're out of position, you could get repopped allin preflop, and if you say your only playing a set, you're losing money making that call.

[Matty]

Typically check fold, unless he makes a stupid small bet.

Exactly...so although it's true that 88 will win unimproved sometimes, the hard part is not only having the best hand but also knowing you have the best hand.

[Judge Dredd]

BTW, nice game Bean. Glad to see you making a comeback.
i want Bean to bring back the original avatar (the one that counted the beans).

That was cool.

[fallout]

I am personally going through a transition period in my game. Conciously trying to shake my super tight style I learned a few years back playing 5/10 and 10/20 live ring games. I brought that same style over to online MTTs and did ok, (am up a few bucks lifetime), but I realized (imagined) at some point that there has to be a whole other level to get to.

Look at the MTT SNG players with the best success on this board. Not trying to diss anyone but, I would put MO and Freeman at the top of that list. I have watched them play a few times and see the hands they show down.

They get lucky alot. Why do they? Because they put themselves over and over again in the situation where luck can happen.

Playing rock solid textbook tight is fine, and I believe, profitable in the long run. I just think it is also boring, and not likely to get you to the "next level". It is simply too easy to replicate to distance you from the pack.

So this 88 may not have been optimal, and I may even have folded it, it's close, but to declare it completely and totally wrong would mean you would be forced to say free and mo played hands completely and totally wrong too. And probably more wrong and in far more expensive places than this.

It is a game. If it was a math exrecise, I would not play it.

[Dooby Scoo]

IMO, it's a bad call with 88 in that spot. your out of position, you could get repopped allin preflop, and if you say your only playing a set, your losing money making that call.

Out of position, sure, but if the cards don't fall properly, I see someone behind me having a hard time making a continuation bet if they haven't hit. If they have AA or KK when the action comes back around [to MH], then he puts more money in and I fold. You can't fault someone for making a gamble and always playing by the book. Maybe she had a read on your guys. You gotta shake things up to get chips in the ASOP and maybe, just maybe, she knows that.

[MountainHawk]

I am personally going through a transition period in my game. Conciously trying to shake my super tight style I learned a few years back playing 5/10 and 10/20 live ring games. I brought that same style over to online MTTs and did ok, (am up a few bucks lifetime), but I realized (imagined) at some point that there has to be a whole other level to get to.

Look at the MTT SNG players with the best success on this board. Not trying to diss anyone but, I would put MO and Freeman at the top of that list. I have watched them play a few times and see the hands they show down.

They get lucky alot. Why do they? Because they put themselves over and over again in the situation where luck can happen.

Playing rock solid textbook tight is fine, and I believe, profitable in the long run. I just think it is also boring, and not likely to get you to the "next level". It is simply too easy to replicate to distance you from the pack.

So this 88 may not have been optimal, and I may even have folded it, it's close, but to declare it completely and totally wrong would mean you would be forced to say free and mo played hands completely and totally wrong too. And probably more wrong and in far more expensive places than this.

It is a game. If it was a math exrecise, I would not play it.
Can you link to a hand where freeman flat called a raise/reraise for 13% of his stack preflop?

[fallout]

Can you link to a hand where freeman flat called a raise/reraise for 13% of his stack preflop?


Nope. I don't really catologue the stuff I watch in any way that would make it easy to find. I am just sometimes surprised at what he flips over after the hand is over.

But I could show Mo calling AI with KQo a few times.

Of course he got the AJT flop.

[Dooby Scoo]

i want Bean to bring back the original avatar (the one that counted the beans).

That was cool.

lol, I remember this too.

[MountainHawk]

Nope. I don't really catologue the stuff I watch in any way that would make it easy to find. I am just sometimes surprised at what he flips over after the hand is over.

But I could show Mo calling AI with KQo a few times.

Of course he got the AJT flop.
Calling a single AI with KQ isn't necessarily wrong, depending on the situation. Link?

[Bama Gambler]

I am personally going through a transition period in my game. Conciously trying to shake my super tight style I learned a few years back playing 5/10 and 10/20 live ring games. I brought that same style over to online MTTs and did ok, (am up a few bucks lifetime), but I realized (imagined) at some point that there has to be a whole other level to get to.

Look at the MTT SNG players with the best success on this board. Not trying to diss anyone but, I would put MO and Freeman at the top of that list. I have watched them play a few times and see the hands they show down.

They get lucky alot. Why do they? Because they put themselves over and over again in the situation where luck can happen.

Playing rock solid textbook tight is fine, and I believe, profitable in the long run. I just think it is also boring, and not likely to get you to the "next level". It is simply too easy to replicate to distance you from the pack.

So this 88 may not have been optimal, and I may even have folded it, it's close, but to declare it completely and totally wrong would mean you would be forced to say free and mo played hands completely and totally wrong too. And probably more wrong and in far more expensive places than this.

It is a game. If it was a math exrecise, I would not play it.I agree with the sentiment of this post, but I'm 95% positive Mo and Freeman don't play 88 here. In poker there is a fine line b/w genius and donkey.

In gator's defense, since when do we have to admit when we play bad, especially in an ASOP where it's about fun? If that is the case, then MH you have A LOT of admitting to do. I see you make plays twice as bad as gator's play here almost everytime you are at my table.

[MountainHawk]

I agree with the sentiment of this post, but I'm 95% positive Mo and Freeman don't play 88 here. In poker there is a fine line b/w genius and donkey.

In gator's defense, since when do we have to admit when we play bad, especially in an ASOP where it's about fun? If that is the case, then MH you have A LOT of admitting to do. I see you make plays twice as bad as gator's play here almost everytime you are at my table.


That's fine, but I don't go on MSN and keep pestering you about how great a play I made if it works. If anything, I apologize to people.

She also promised to post an article that showed she was right, but it proved the exact opposite, so she then went back and deleted the article.

[Dooby Scoo]

MH, Would have been happy to see her push preflop so that you could fold that measly AK?

[Bama Gambler]

That's fine, but I don't go on MSN and keep pestering you about how great a play I made if it works. If anything, I apologize to people.

She also promised to post an article that showed she was right, but it proved the exact opposite, so she then went back and deleted the article.Didn't know about that. In that case carry on. :popcorn:

[MountainHawk]

MH, Would have been happy to see her push preflop so that you could fold that measly AK?
That would at least have been a better play, because at least you kill position advantage for the other two players ... and yes, do fold AK there to a re-raise and a push.

[foghorn]

Calling a single AI with KQ isn't necessarily wrong, depending on the situation. Link?

Bama certainly showed us (me) last night a case where calling with KQ is correct.

[Sotally Tober]

Bama certainly showed us (me) last night a case where calling with KQ is correct.
I remember saying before the river hit, "Here comes a T".

Ouch.

[Bama Gambler]

Bama certainly showed us (me) last night a case where calling with KQ is correct.at least IMO, i'm not sure if it's correct, but it's a play i often make when the bb is a semi-short stack.

[foghorn]

at least IMO, i'm not sure if it's correct, but it's a play i often make when the bb is a semi-short stack.

I absolutely think it was correct. The first decision is whether you want to play KQ for my stack size. Once you decide that, limping and calling is the correct move. If you raise and I push, you have to call. As you said, by limping it really opened up the hands with which I would push.

My big question(s) is: What do you do if PokerWidow doesn't fold?

[Cohete009]

If you gave cohete a $1 for every bad play that cohete has made....

[MountainHawk]

Didn't know about that. In that case carry on. :popcorn:
Well, whatever. I'm just going to put gator on ignore here and block her on MSN. I ended up calling her names last night and berating her. She's just too stubborn and confrontational for my taste, especially given my mental state now. Better to just keep the peace by avoiding the conflict at this point.

[foghorn]

If you gave cohete a $1 for every bad play that cohete has made....

Most of us gave you more than that.

[Bama Gambler]

My big question(s) is: What do you do if PokerWidow doesn't fold?Then I fold most likely. That was another reason I didn't raise. I figured she'd call or re-raise if her hand was much better than mine.

[fallout]

Well, whatever. I'm just going to put gator on ignore here and block her on MSN. I ended up calling her names last night and berating her. She's just too stubborn and confrontational for my taste, especially given my mental state now. Better to just keep the peace by avoiding the conflict at this point.


Gator seems to get blocked a lot. I guess she is like the "Mike the mouth" of the AO.

Damn. I wanted to be Mike the Mouth.

[foghorn]

Then I fold most likely. That was another reason I didn't raise. I figured she'd call or re-raise if her hand was much better than mine.

That's what I decided too. If she flat calls, you are getting very good odds, but you are pot committed in a 3-way at that point. I can't remember what your stack was, but I'm fairly sure you didn't have enough to chase her off at that point (after she calls).

[DblDownTrent]

Gator seems to get blocked a lot. I guess she is like the "Mike the mouth" of the AO.

Damn. I wanted to be Mike the Mouth.

I think the tony g spot is still open.


hehe I said g spot.

[Sotally Tober]

:rofl:

[douglan]

Who won last night?

And why are MH and gator fighting? I need details!!!