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Uncle Carl
06-29-2006, 12:56 PM
This is kinda weird..

A North Dumfries couple have been charged with animal neglect for not seeking surgery for their dog after it was hit by a car.

After an investigation by the Cambridge and District Humane Society, the couple were ordered to surrender their pet and appear in provincial court next month.

Daniel and Margarida Carvalho's Shih Tzu suffered a fractured jaw when he was hit by a car on May 30.

The dog, named Nicky, was taken to an emergency veterinary clinic.

Doctors confirmed the dog had a fractured lower jaw and recommended either surgery or euthanasia.

"They gave him a needle for pain, and then they gave us an ultimatum -- we have to kill him or do surgery, which would cost $2,000," Margarida Carvalho said in an interview yesterday.

The 1 1/2-year-old dog was eating and acting normally soon after the accident, so they decided to hold off on taking action, she said.

The couple now face two counts of causing unnecessary pain and suffering by failing to obtain medical attention, and neglecting and failing to provide adequate care for their dog.

They have been ordered to appear in court on July 6. The maximum possible penalties are six months in jail, a $2,000 fine and a two-year ban on animal ownership.

"I'm not guilty of anything," Carvalho said in an interview. "We always loved that animal like he was a child.

She said Nicky seemed to be improving and was not in apparent pain.

"We already spent over $500, and they wanted $2,000 more," she said. "It was a big decision because we're not rich, and he was doing OK."

The investigation began after a veterinarian alerted the humane society.

"The vet phoned in because they had recommended medical treatment for the injury and it wasn't followed through," said Jamie Frye, the humane society's inspector who investigated the case.

"They felt that the dog was suffering from a painful condition and that needed to be looked after."

On June 6, Frye visited the Carvalhos and examined Nicky. He found that although the dog was eating, he would yelp in pain when the injured area was touched.

The humane society issued an order for the Carvalhos to seek another examination and treatment. Carvalho said she got a third opinion but the options remained the same.

The humane society then got a court-signed search warrant for the dog. But when Frye arrived at the Carvalhos' door, they willingly surrendered Nicky. The dog was taken to a Cambridge veterinary clinic.

The next day, Carvalho said, she tried to visit Nicky but instead was asked to sign papers giving up ownership of her pet. Not knowing what else to do, she signed.

"It's been very upsetting for us," she said.

The next day, Nicky was taken to the University of Guelph for surgery on his jaw, paid for by the humane society. His stitches were removed this week, and he is recovering, Frye said. Nicky will stay at the humane society for four to six weeks before he is ready for new owners.

Criminal charges against an animal owner are rare. Frye said only two cases led to criminal charges of neglect in 2005, which both involved owners hoarding cats. Nicky's is the only case so far in 2006.

"We weigh each case on its own merits and proceed with criminal charges if we see it fit as a deterrent to this type of thing happening on a continual basis," said Frye.So you have to either pay the $2000 for your pet's surgery, or put it to sleep? Does this seem legit? I'm not sure what to think.

shadyridr
06-29-2006, 01:00 PM
You get a dog you have to realize there can be very expensive costs in owning the dog.

Ronald Reagan
06-29-2006, 01:07 PM
You get a dog you have to realize there can be very expensive costs in owning the dog.


Agreed. This doesn't sound like a terrible case itself, but I'm sure some bad ones are out there. It is reasonable for a vet to make a call. If the dog is fine, then the follow up should have been ended there.

The article states that the dog seems to be getting better and that it yelps when touched... Which is it?

fallout
06-29-2006, 01:08 PM
A person can refuse surgery, but a dog can not?

People can keep their kids from getting treatment they do not agree with, but for the dog, the vet is God?

Actuary321
06-29-2006, 01:11 PM
Wait a minute. The Humane Society was willing to pay for the surgery if they gave up ownership but not help if they kept him? Why did the Humane Society not simply pay for the surgery and be done with it?

I'm going to have to side with the owners here. If the dog was doing OK and eating then simply don't touch where the dog hurts. Chances are it will heal even if it healed incorrectly if there is no infection or long term life threatening problems, I don't know that you should have to have the surgery.

Though I will admit that it doesn't say why all the opinions recommended surgery. It could have been that the injury would not have healed without surgery.

_BullDog_
06-29-2006, 01:12 PM
A person can refuse surgery, but a dog can not?

People can keep their kids from getting treatment they do not agree with, but for the dog, the vet is God?

And people have had there kids taken for not getting treatment doctors/gov workers thought they should have.

Uncle Carl
06-29-2006, 01:15 PM
A person can refuse surgery, but a dog can not?The dog didn't refuse surgery, the dog owners did.People can keep their kids from getting treatment they do not agree withNot really (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showthread.php?t=53240)

tommie frazier
06-29-2006, 01:20 PM
the humane society likely didn't want to appear as a source of payment for anyone who didn't want to pay for things, so they insist on taking the pet after the surgery. my guess.

I wish
06-29-2006, 01:26 PM
This is kinda weird..

So you have to either pay the $2000 for your pet's surgery, or put it to sleep? Does this seem legit? I'm not sure what to think.

Does not seem appropriate to me.

Kohl
06-29-2006, 01:42 PM
So you have to either pay the $2000 for your pet's surgery, or put it to sleep? Does this seem legit?

The Shih Tzu was hit by a car. I'm a little upset by this as a small dog should not just be wandering alone, but maybe the owners were right there and it couldn't be helped by them.

The pet is suffering based on three opinions and needs the surgery. Pay for the surgery or have the dog euthananized. That seems legit.

I'm a little offended that the humane society paid for the surgery. I don't grasp the difference of save the damaged pet and kill those perfectly healthy under six weeks. It seems reasonable to me to euthanize the older pets and spend money on those that won't have difficulty with adoption. The humane society seems like a bleeding heart organization.

Real American Hero
06-29-2006, 03:02 PM
"I'm not guilty of anything," Carvalho said in an interview. "We always loved that animal like he was a child.
Am I the only one who thinks this couple should really NOT have children?

Harry
06-29-2006, 03:06 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this couple should really NOT have children?

:lol:

2pac Shakur
06-29-2006, 03:12 PM
You get a dog you have to realize there can be very expensive costs in owning the dog.

You invade a country, you have to realize there can be very expensive costs in occupying the country. Name the dog Iraq.

Feif
06-29-2006, 03:19 PM
You invade a country, you have to realize there can be very expensive costs in occupying the country. Name the dog Iraq.
2pac, why do you have to bring Iraq or Bush into every discussion? This thread had nothing to do with it.