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2pac Shakur
07-16-2006, 07:07 PM
During the 1982 Lebanon War, while Ariel Sharon was Defense minister, the Sabra and Shatila massacre took place, in which between 460 and 3,500 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps were killed by the Phalanges- Lebanese Maronite miltias. The Security Chief of the Phalange militia, Elie Hobeika, was the ground commander of the militiamen who entered the Palestinian camps and killed the Palestinians. The Phalange had been sent into the camps to clear out PLO fighters, and Israeli forces had been sent to the camps at Sharon's command to provide them with logistical support and to guard camp exits. The incident led some of Sharon's critics to refer to him as "the Butcher of Beirut".[6]

The Kahan Commission claimed that "absolutely no direct responsibility devolves upon Israel or upon those who acted in its behalf." Yet it did charge Sharon with "personal responsibility." It recommended in early 1983 the removal of Sharon from his post as Defense minister. In their recommendations and closing remarks, the commission stated:

We have found, as has been detailed in this report, that the Minister of Defense [Ariel Sharon] bears personal responsibility. In our opinion, it is fitting that the Minister of Defense draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office - and if necessary, that the Prime Minister consider whether he should exercise his authority under Section 21-A(a) of the Basic Law: the Government, according to which "the Prime Minister may, after informing the Cabinet of his intention to do so, remove a minister from office."[7]

An AP report on 15 September 1982 stated :

Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, in a statement, tied the killing [of the Phalangist leader Gemayel] to the PLO, saying: "It symbolises the terrorist murderousness of the PLO terrorist organisations and their supporters." Habib Chartouni, a Lebanese Christian from the Syrian Socialist National Party confessed to the murder of Gemayel, and no Palestinians were involved. Sharon had used this to instigate the entrance of the Lebanese militias into the camps.

Sharon was dismissed by Prime Minister Menachem Begin but he remained in successive governments as a Minister.

In 1987, Time published a story implying Sharon was directly responsible for the massacres. Sharon sued Time for libel in American and Israeli courts. Time won the suit in the U.S. court because although the jury found the article false and defamatory, Sharon could not establish that Time had "acted out of malice", as required under the U.S. law.[8]

On June 18, 2001, relatives of the victims of the Sabra massacre began proceedings in Belgium to have Ariel Sharon indicted on war crimes charges.[9] In June 2002, a Brussels Appeals Court rejected the lawsuit because the law was subsequently changed under heavy U.S. pressure to disallow such lawsuits unless a Belgian citizen is involved.[10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon#Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

The people of Lebanon are probably overjoyed to have Israel invading again.
When you read about Sharon's history, and see that he was elected PM, does that indicate Israelis have any interest in peace? Or do we only criticise the Pals for electing Hamas?

shalom
07-16-2006, 07:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon#Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

The people of Lebanon are probably overjoyed to have Israel invading again.
When you read about Sharon's history, and see that he was elected PM, does that indicate Israelis have any interest in peace? Or do we only criticise the Pals for electing Hamas?

Israel doesn't have any intention of peace. It wants peace if every one submit to them and give them their land. They pretend to have peace and they pretend really well with all the modern documentation.

shalom
07-17-2006, 08:42 PM
Yehveh will do justice with the killers of the victims of Sabra and Shatila.

Y2Mozz
07-17-2006, 08:53 PM
The FSM will feed the disenfranchised.

Tim><
07-17-2006, 08:55 PM
Yehveh will do justice with the killers of the victims of Sabra and Shatila.You are the first Hebrew speaker I have ever heard refer to him that way. I guess my experience must be biased.

Malik Shabazz
07-17-2006, 09:22 PM
You are the first Hebrew speaker I have ever heard refer to him that way. I guess my experience must be biased.This is the second thread in which Shalom has used that spelling.

I'm sticking with my original guess - Arabic. ;-)

NTTAWWT

Pseudolus
07-17-2006, 09:29 PM
Weird. The first Google hit I get on "Yehveh" is a shalom post on this forum.

Malik Shabazz
07-17-2006, 09:31 PM
Weird. The first Google hit I get on "Yehveh" is a shalom post on this forum.Now Googledog peeing on flagWe're Number One!
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fallout
07-17-2006, 10:15 PM
Now GoogleWe're Number One!
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Woohoo!

2pac Shakur
07-17-2006, 10:19 PM
Woohoo!

I love you guys.

Y2Mozz
07-17-2006, 10:21 PM
Rigatoni be upon 2pac.

Lucy
07-18-2006, 12:24 AM
I sort of thought that Sharon and Arafat got along, after their fashion, because they were birds of a feather.

Lucy
07-18-2006, 12:26 AM
You are the first Hebrew speaker I have ever heard refer to him that way. I guess my experience must be biased.Yeah, well, he's also the first Jew I've come across who tosses that name around in casual conversation. But no doubt my experience is biased, too.

NoName
07-18-2006, 09:00 AM
This is the second thread in which Shalom has used that spelling.

I'm sticking with my original guess - Arabic. ;-)

NTTAWWTThe only thing I can say for sure is it's not English, but ... Arabic doesn't have a v sound; maybe Farsi/Persian?

2pac Shakur
08-08-2006, 10:51 PM
During the 1982 Lebanon War, while Ariel Sharon was Defense minister, the Sabra and Shatila massacre took place, in which between 460 and 3,500 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps were killed by the Phalanges- Lebanese Maronite miltias. The Security Chief of the Phalange militia, Elie Hobeika, was the ground commander of the militiamen who entered the Palestinian camps and killed the Palestinians. The Phalange had been sent into the camps to clear out PLO fighters, and Israeli forces had been sent to the camps at Sharon's command to provide them with logistical support and to guard camp exits. The incident led some of Sharon's critics to refer to him as "the Butcher of Beirut".[6]

Why don't the Lebanese get along with Israel?
This is an example of terrorism, and it is happening again, but the world won't do anything about it.

Tim><
08-09-2006, 06:31 AM
The weird thing is that if you were going to say it, that would not be how it was pronounced.

Feif
08-09-2006, 08:11 AM
Actually, in the Hebrew spelling of the name, it has the letter "vuv" in it, which has a "v" sound. There is no "w" sound in Hebrew.

Lucy
08-09-2006, 08:37 AM
Actually, in the Hebrew spelling of the name, it has the letter "vuv" in it, which has a "v" sound. There is no "w" sound in Hebrew.
Despite that, I learned to pronounce it the same way as Tim - not with a "v".

Jack
08-09-2006, 09:42 AM
Actually, in the Hebrew spelling of the name, it has the letter "vuv" in it, which has a "v" sound. There is no "w" sound in Hebrew.

There is also no "I" in team.

Feif
08-09-2006, 09:49 AM
There is also no "I" in team.

True, but there is "me"

shalom
08-09-2006, 09:10 PM
Yehveh will definitely fix the people responsible for dropping bombs on the kids.