AOFF Official Roster/Lineup Thread

[JustASix]

Official Rosters will be kept here.

2nd post will contain all rosters.

Post for any official roster changes, including trades, FA aquisitions (note, this thread is not for bidding, only for posting changes once bidding is complete), etc.

Also post here if you want an official lineup to be recorded on this site. Otherwise the lineup on Yahoo will be official. For a lineup to be official for a week, the post must contain the complete starting lineup and the week it is effective for. No player can be changed once his game has started.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.


Updated as of 7/30/2007

[JustASix]

Rosters are updated on Yahoo. Please check to make due I got them right. It really sucked entering them all and I got really bored by the end so I would be shocked if I got it right.
Thanks.

[MountainHawk]

You got the wrong Horn for me. I have Joe Horn, not Chris. ;-)

[JustASix]

Thanks.
This is exactly the kind of thing I knew I would get wrong. It was fun for a minute when I was enering my own team. By the time you enter 220+ players, you see a little crosseyed. That and a fews drinks....
You do the math. :cheers:

[dinosaur]

Thanks.
This is exactly the kind of thing I knew I would get wrong. It was fun for a minute when I was enering my own team. By the time you enter 220+ players, you see a little crosseyed. That and a fews drinks....
You do the math. :cheers:

My night was better than yours!

I started with Snakes on a Plane and ended with several beers at a local pizza joint here in the SE. Ah! No roster worries or work here for that matter. I also submitted my PD plan today so I can only hope to hear good news in 6 weeks. I feel good, I think I want to move to Oregon! Damn, the beer won't STFU... :toast:

BTW, SoaP is not scary, horrible acting, but absolutely hilarious!

[Expunge]

Are we going to see a list here of the rosters? Or just keep using Yahoo for that...

I think we need a copy here so we can see the contracts assigned to each team so we can see where they are in relation to the cap.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.Updated rosters and contracts in second post.

[JustASix]

Don't forget to update your lineups. Either in Yahoo or here, but if you don't do it anywhere, you won't get points. Let's not let this league slip into inactivity already.
Thanks.

[JustASix]

I have a trade to announce. The first in the history of the AOFF.

The Mckinney Kohl Miners have traded
Willis Mcgahee ($34)
Reggie Brown ($5)
Eric Moulds ($3)

to the Atlanta Spartys (me) for
Torry Holt ($34)
Marion Barber ($6)

The trade keeps us both under the cap. Since we are both on the board, I guess it is approved by the board. If anyone has a problem with the trade, let us know.

Good luck!

[JustASix]

I have a trade to announce. The first in the history of the AOFF.

The Mckinney Kohl Miners have traded
Willis Mcgahee ($34)
Reggie Brown ($5)
Eric Moulds ($3)

to the Atlanta Spartys (me) for
Torry Holt ($34)
Marion Barber ($6)

The trade keeps us both under the cap. Since we are both on the board, I guess it is approved by the board. If anyone has a problem with the trade, let us know.

Good luck!It looks like I will lose this week as a direct result of this trade. I'm so bad at this game.
I might actually go 0-5 this weekend. I'll be pulling hard for Baltimore tonight.

[UNCORRELATED LAY]

It looks like I will lose this week as a direct result of this trade. I'm so bad at this game.
I might actually go 0-5 this weekend. I'll be pulling hard for Baltimore tonight.

I think I play you next week. Combined we may be 0-10. Can't wait.

[Kohl]

It looks like I will lose this week as a direct result of this trade. I'm so bad at this game.
I might actually go 0-5 this weekend. I'll be pulling hard for Baltimore tonight.

I think this is true. I was going with Brown, so I actually lost a few points with Holt, though you lost about the same with McGahee over Henry. The biggest difference is you would have started Holt over Bennett. It would have been nice for you to know Bennett wasn't going to play. I've been very lucky in our matchups.

[JustASix]

It looks like I will lose this week as a direct result of this trade. I'm so bad at this game.
I might actually go 0-5 this weekend. I'll be pulling hard for Baltimore tonight.

I think this is true. I was going with Brown, so I actually lost a few points with Holt, though you lost about the same with McGahee over Henry. The biggest difference is you would have started Holt over Bennett. It would have been nice for you to know Bennett wasn't going to play. I've been very lucky in our matchups.Have I mentioned yet that I HATE Nate Kaeding?
He always seems to get me.:swear:

[MountainHawk]

These rosters seem to need an update ;-)

[JustASix]

These rosters seem to need an update ;-)They do. I plan to work on it after November 1 (exam day). If anyone else wants to take a shot at updating it, they are welcome to.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.I updated the "official" rosters except for my own team and Kohl's team which I believe I have at home and will do over the weekend.
Please take a minute and check that I have everything right. If you added an R player and dropped him in the past 4 or 5 weeks I may be missing the panalty for that. I just compared current rosters to rosters at the last update.
Thanks for your patience.

[Expunge]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.I updated the "official" rosters except for my own team and Kohl's team which I believe I have at home and will do over the weekend.
Please take a minute and check that I have everything right. If you added an R player and dropped him in the past 4 or 5 weeks I may be missing the panalty for that. I just compared current rosters to rosters at the last update.
Thanks for your patience.
I missed that houston was on an R contract when I dropped him. Thus i miss calculated my cap room by 2. If acceptable by the board I will drop Baskett in addition allowing me to pick up Thomas and stay under the cap. If this is not acceptable. The I guess the other bidder get Thomas. Whatever the board decides is fine with me.
I am heading out of town for the weekend so I will not be able to check back in until Sunday afternoon\evening. Please contact BizVegas in my absence. He has the my yahoo password and can make any nessicary roster moves.

[Kohl]

o “Injured Reserve” (IR): An owner may place a player on the IR at any time during the season (the season starts at the beginning of the rookie draft).
o Once a player is placed on the IR, they cannot be activated until the next season.
o A player is only eligible for the IR if the are on the actual IR in real life.
o A player placed on the IR will only count 50% of his salary against the cap.

I'm placing Clinton Portis on IR freeing up $26 (of his $52) in cap space.

[udjw828]

o “Injured Reserve” (IR): An owner may place a player on the IR at any time during the season (the season starts at the beginning of the rookie draft).
o Once a player is placed on the IR, they cannot be activated until the next season.
o A player is only eligible for the IR if the are on the actual IR in real life.
o A player placed on the IR will only count 50% of his salary against the cap.

I'm placing Clinton Portis on IR freeing up $26 (of his $52) in cap space.


And I will be placing Mr. McNabb on IR for the remainder of the season. He's currently under contract for $17 (hehehe), so I guess this saves me $8 (or $9?) in cap space.

[MountainHawk]

I think you get $8 this time, and can round up the next time you have a player on IR.

[dinosaur]

In the event our rosters LOCK today for the rest of the week, I'd like to start Lawrence Maroney over Frank Gore since he's questionable. I cannot change it at work due to internet restrictions and I won't be home in time before the game starts tonight (or so I'm planning) so I am posting it here under the assumptions lineups lock with the FIRST game of the week.

If for some odd strange reason I can change my lineup for players who've yet to play, I reserve that right but I'm feeling to lazy to look this up right now.


Week 13:
BENCH Gore
START Maroney

[JustASix]

In the event our rosters LOCK today for the rest of the week, I'd like to start Lawrence Maroney over Frank Gore since he's questionable. I cannot change it at work due to internet restrictions and I won't be home in time before the game starts tonight (or so I'm planning) so I am posting it here under the assumptions lineups lock with the FIRST game of the week.

If for some odd strange reason I can change my lineup for players who've yet to play, I reserve that right but I'm feeling to lazy to look this up right now.


Week 13:
BENCH Gore
START Maroney
You can change players that haven't played yet. This shouldn't be a problem. You just can't add any more players this week.

[dinosaur]

In the event our rosters LOCK today for the rest of the week, I'd like to start Lawrence Maroney over Frank Gore since he's questionable. I cannot change it at work due to internet restrictions and I won't be home in time before the game starts tonight (or so I'm planning) so I am posting it here under the assumptions lineups lock with the FIRST game of the week.

If for some odd strange reason I can change my lineup for players who've yet to play, I reserve that right but I'm feeling to lazy to look this up right now.


Week 13:
BENCH Gore
START Maroney
You can change players that haven't played yet. This shouldn't be a problem. You just can't add any more players this week.

That's cool! I just saw he was on the injury report and with the playoffs at stake thought it might be important to be somewhat proactive.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.
The roster database has been updated. It should have every transaction through the entire season. Please take a look at your team and see if it looks right.

Thanks.

[JustASix]

Here is a better version of the holdout calculations. Thanks to those of you that helped me find my mistakes.
These will not be final until the rookie draft begins, but it is your responsibility to challenge any holdout that I calculated. If you think I made a mistake, you are probably right, just let me know.

[Kohl]

Marion Barber: I want $27.
Me: :lol: Kick it to the curb, son. Adios.

[MountainHawk]

So can we resign the UR on our own team before they go to FA for market value or current + $1, or do they all go to the market first?

[JustASix]

So can we resign the UR on our own team before they go to FA for market value or current + $1, or do they all go to the market first?
They will be on the market once it opens, but remember that they are still on your team at their current salary until someone else signs them away from you and you have the right to match any offer.

[Kohl]

OFF SEASON FA BIDDING
During this period, if an owner drops a player, the owner cannot bid on that player until REGULAR SEASON FA BIDDING begins.

May we release/drop a player prior to OFF SEASON FA BIDDING with the intention of bidding on him at a lower price than his current salary? My example would be Clinton Portis.

[JustASix]

OFF SEASON FA BIDDING
During this period, if an owner drops a player, the owner cannot bid on that player until REGULAR SEASON FA BIDDING begins.

May we release/drop a player prior to OFF SEASON FA BIDDING with the intention of bidding on him at a lower price than his current salary? My example would be Clinton Portis.That is a good question that I believe we have debated before, but never came to a conclusion.
The way I would like to do it is that we treat the rookie draft as a transaction period so that if you drop a UR player before the rookie draft, you are free to bid on them once UR bidding opens. I think that makes sense and it is in the spirit of what we are trying to do.
What I want to avoid is every UR player being dropped and rebid every year. This way you have to do the drop before the bidding starts so you can't drop to make room for another bid then resign.
I don't know if all my rambling makes sense or how the rules "officially" treat this as they stand, but I think it is worthy of discussion.

[MountainHawk]

Ok, but players that are R1 can be resigned in the up coming year for MV or Current+1.

[Kohl]

-An R contract will have a length of 2-5 years as determined by the owner at the inception of the contract.
-A player going into the last year of a restricted contract can be resigned at 110% of “market value” with a minimum increase of $1. This extension can be made from the end of the players penultimate season up to the beginning of the playoffs in their last season.

To be clear, there is no R1 contract, which is essentially a UR contract. There are the players that were R2 last year with one year of eligibility left. You may resign these players per the constitution. Not resigning these players result in them being UR next offseason.

[MountainHawk]

Gotcha. I was thinking R2 in his second year would be R1. If the guy is on a UR deal, you can't resign him early, as I understand it.

[MountainHawk]

Forces of Mortality release Tiki Barber (RB). No cap hit under the retirement rule. (Just wanted to do this before the draft, so I can bid on him again in the unlikely instance he changes his mind.)

[Kohl]

McKinney Kohl Miners

Hold Outs
Marion Barber holds out for $27. I release Marion Barber.
Tony Romo holds out for $9. I agree to his terms and seek an extension to R5.
Reuben Droughns holds out for $9. I release Reuben Droughns.
Brandon Jacobs holds out for $8. I agree to his terms and seek an extension to R4.

Last Year of Restricted Contract
Heath Miller bumps up $1 to $5. I seek an extension to R3
Marcedes Lewis receives no increase or extension.

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Chester Taylor moves from R4 to R3.
Anquan Boldin moves from R4 to R3.
Deion Branch moves from R3 to R2.
Matt Jones moves from R5 to R4.
David Carr moves from R5 to R4.

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Denver Defense
Kansas City Defense
New England Defense
Nate Kaeding
Brett Favre

Unrestricted Contracts being released
I release Tory Holt.
I release Clinton Portis.
I release Mewelde Moore.
I release Michael Robinson.

I choose not to franchise any player.

[MountainHawk]

I'll use the same format as Kohl

Forces of Mortality

Hold Outs
None.


Last Year of Restricted Contract

Tiki Barber is released for no cap hit under retirement rule.
Marvin Harrison is extended to a R3 at $40. (I think this value is right [1.1 * 36])
DeShaun Foster is not extended. (Cap hit = $19)


Multiple Year Restricted Contract

T.J. Houshmandzadeh moves to R2, $12.
Deangelo Williams moves to R2, $11.
Jake Delhomme moves to R2, $10.
Reggie Bush moves to R3, $28.
Vernon Davis moves to R3, $8


Unrestricted Contracts not released
Joe Horn
Pittsburgh Steelers
Philadelphia Eagles
John Kasay
Ryan Longwell
Rex Grossman
Bernard Berrian
Roscoe Parrish
Jeff Garcia
Owen Daniels

Unrestricted Contracts being released

None at this time.



Total Cap spent: $128
Total Players under contract: 7

[JustASix]

I like this format. Thanks for doing it this way guys. I will check the values when I get a chance.
I think Kohl wants to be a player in the UR market.
:popcorn:

[Kohl]

Assuming I keep all of my unreleased UR players, I have $95 to spend on six open roster spots. I assume two of those spots go to cheap rookies.

;)

[MountainHawk]

Looks like I'll be in bargain hunting mode. $15 of my 72 will probably go to the draft, so that's $about 57 to sign 11 players. ;-)

[udjw828]

UnDoubtedly JustWins

Hold Outs
Donald Driver asks for a raise to $30, is thanked for his service and is shown the door...

Last Year of Restricted Contract
None

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Jay Cutler moves to R4, $1.
Larry Fitzgerald moves to R4, $34.
Rudi Johnson moves to R3, $41.
Donovan McNabb moves to R3, $17.
Chris Perry moves to R3, $3.
Ben Roethlisberger moves to R2, $10.
Jason Witten moves to R2, $7.
Mike Anderson moves to R2, $3.

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Jacksonville Jaguars D/ST
CIncinnati Bengals D/ST
Jeff Reed
Charlie Frye
Warrick Dunn
Fred Taylor
Terry Glenn
Wes Welker
Mark Clayton

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Trent Green
Rod Smith

Total Cap spent: $116
Total Players under contract: 8

[JustASix]

Crap. I just realized my LT dilemma. I guess he deserves the raise.

[Expunge]

Wheres the current roster list with the holdouts?

found it, post #26...
http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=1978638&postcount=26

[Kohl]

I think I would let LT's contract expire and either franchise him or match a bid against him.

Here is a better version of the holdout calculations. Thanks to those of you that helped me find my mistakes.
These will not be final until the rookie draft begins, but it is your responsibility to challenge any holdout that I calculated. If you think I made a mistake, you are probably right, just let me know.
Click the arrow to take you to the post. The holdout file is there.

[Kohl]

I think our best bet is the week of June 4th. Let's plan to start the rookie draft that monday morning.
We shouldn't have to worry too much about time since there are only 24 total picks and a very limited player universe. I think planning a pick every hour with a four hour max time on the clock would work pretty well. Meaning your time runs out at the earlier of four hours after the pick before you or one hour after your scheduled time. This is kind of like what we did for the original draft.

I also would like to set the deadline for dropping UR players with the right to re-bid on them at 5PM Friday, June 1. That gives everyone the weekend to see who was let go. If there are no major objections I am making that a rule.

This will also go for R contract players that you want to start the clock on this year.

Mountainhawk, udjw828, and I are ready for the rookie draft, which is less than three weeks away.

[Kohl]

I also would like to set the deadline for dropping UR players with the right to re-bid on them at 5PM Friday, June 1.

This deadline is one week away!

[JustASix]

This deadline is one week away!
Yes it is. I need to do a massive communication effort here to make sure everyone knows. I will probably sent PMs and emails through the Yahoo site to everyone. I hope you all don't mind.
If there is anyone who knows they do not want to keep their team for next season, please let me know ASAP so I can find a replacement.
Thanks!

[Kohl]

I think our best bet is the week of June 4th. Let's plan to start the rookie draft that monday morning.
We shouldn't have to worry too much about time since there are only 24 total picks and a very limited player universe. I think planning a pick every hour with a four hour max time on the clock would work pretty well. Meaning your time runs out at the earlier of four hours after the pick before you or one hour after your scheduled time. This is kind of like what we did for the original draft.

I also would like to set the deadline for dropping UR players with the right to re-bid on them at 5PM Friday, June 1. That gives everyone the weekend to see who was let go. If there are no major objections I am making that a rule.

This will also go for R contract players that you want to start the clock on this year.

Check out what MountainHawk and udjw828 did in the previous posts. Class, you may want to follow suit.

[JustASix]

Hold Outs
Ahman Green holds out for $23. He gets cut.
Kellen Winslow Jr. holds out for $9. He gets resigned to R4 at $9.
Braylon Edwards holds out for $9. He gets resigned to R4 at $9.
Reggie Brown holds out for $12. He gets cut.
Steve Mcnair holds out for $8. He gets cut.

Last Year of Restricted Contract
Ladanian Tomlinson gets no extension
Randy Moss gets no extension

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Daunte Culpepper moves from R3 to R2
Willis McGahee moves from R3 to R2

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Marc Bulger
Travis Henry
Bryant Johnson
Robbie Gould
isaac bruce
New Orleans

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Joe Klopfenstein
Drew Bennett
Eric Moulds
Ron Dayne
Bruce Gradkoski

I choose not to franchise any player at this time.

[Abstract Actuary]

I'll use the same format as Kohl

Forces of Mortality

Hold Outs
None.


Last Year of Restricted Contract

Tiki Barber is released for no cap hit under retirement rule.
Marvin Harrison is extended to a R3 at $40. (I think this value is right [1.1 * 36])
DeShaun Foster is not extended. (Cap hit = $19)


Multiple Year Restricted Contract

T.J. Houshmandzadeh moves to R2, $12.
Deangelo Williams moves to R2, $11.
Jake Delhomme moves to R2, $10.
Reggie Bush moves to R3, $28.
Vernon Davis moves to R3, $8


Unrestricted Contracts not released
Joe Horn
Pittsburgh Steelers
Philadelphia Eagles
John Kasay
Ryan Longwell
Rex Grossman
Bernard Berrian
Roscoe Parrish
Jeff Garcia
Owen Daniels

Unrestricted Contracts being released

None at this time.



Total Cap spent: $128
Total Players under contract: 7

Unless you are cutting Deshaun Foster, I'm pretty sure that there is no cap hit, you just keep him at his current contract for one more season and then he becomes a UR player next off season.

[Kohl]

Unless you are cutting Deshaun Foster, I'm pretty sure that there is no cap hit, you just keep him at his current contract for one more season and then he becomes a UR player next off season.

I assume MountainHawk's "Cap hit" is simply salary due Deshaun Foster this year. I confirm that MountainHawk's restricted salary is currently $128.

[Abstract Actuary]

Abstract Anihilators

Hold Outs
Alex Smith holds out for $7, I agree to his terms but reduce his contract to R3 (would have been R4 this year, can I do that?)

Last Year of Restricted Contract
Hines Ward enters his last year of his contract. At this time I do not offer to extend it. (I can do it anytime during this season, before the playoffs for the same value, right?)
Lamont Jordan enters his last year of his contract. At this time I do not offer to extend it.

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Chad Johnson moves from R5 to R4
Jeremy Shockey moves from R3 to R2
David Akers moves from R5 to R4
Priest Holmes moves from R5 to R4

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Deuce McAllister
Nate Burleson
Jerramy Stevens
Seattle Defense
Marcus Robinson
Brian Griese
Eric Parker
Aaron Brooks

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Release Joey Galloway
Release Corey Dillon

Drew Bledsoe retired

At this time I choose not to franchise any players.

[MountainHawk]

Unless you are cutting Deshaun Foster, I'm pretty sure that there is no cap hit, you just keep him at his current contract for one more season and then he becomes a UR player next off season.
Hit was a bad choice of words. More like cap usage.

[Abstract Actuary]

I assume MountainHawk's "Cap hit" is simply salary due Deshaun Foster this year. I confirm that MountainHawk's restricted salary is currently $128.

Hit was a bad choice of words. More like cap usage.

Sorry, I should have just checked his current contract, and I would have realized that you meant the correct thing. Carry on.

[Kohl]

Hold Outs
Alex Smith holds out for $7, I agree to his terms but reduce his contract to R3 (would have been R4 this year, can I do that?)
Yes, I believe you can.

[Kohl]

Hines Ward enters his last year of his contract. At this time I do not offer to extend it. (I can do it anytime during this season, before the playoffs for the same value, right?)
You are correct. I thought otherwise.

[JustASix]

You are correct. I thought otherwise.Although I think this is a rule that is a good candidate to be changed. Not now, but maybe in the future.

[Abstract Actuary]

I'm never against complication, although I know some are, but you can do something like for every two weeks you don't extend their contract they want another 10% of previous year's market value, or something like that. That way you can't wait until the end of the season and then see what they are worth to make a better decision.

[JustASix]

I'm never against complication, although I know some are, but you can do something like for every two weeks you don't extend their contract they want another 10% of previous year's market value, or something like that. That way you can't wait until the end of the season and then see what they are worth to make a better decision.That's not a bad idea. Remind me about this later in the season when we start talking about 2008 changes. Thanks.

[Kohl]

:wave: I have a question.

Here is a better version of the holdout calculations.

I took the roster list on the last tab of the spreadsheet in the above post.

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Joe Klopfenstein

And you don't have Joe Klopfenstein. :-? There are a couple of other minor differences but now Abstract's post matches even less.

Do you have an official current roster list, JA6? Maybe AA has one. Come on, I know you do. I need a little help, AA.

[Abstract Actuary]

I think my roster list matches the one in the second post in this thread. I'm not positive it's 100% accurate.

[Kohl]

I think my roster list matches the one in the second post in this thread. I'm not positive it's 100% accurate.

You're money. I didn't realize JA6 kept that updated but see that it is good as of February 2007. Thanks. :tup:

[JustASix]

Sorry guys. I'll work on this before the draft. The final rosters are up on Yahoo and should be accurate.
I definitely think we should use cbs.sportsline or nfl.com this year. It would make the FA and roster process so much easier.

[Kohl]

The final rosters are up on Yahoo and should be accurate.
:-? I don't think Yahoo keeps last year's roster. I can't find it.

I definitely think we should use cbs.sportsline or nfl.com this year. It would make the FA and roster process so much easier.
I'm willing to pay a double or triple share to have this convenience.

[Abstract Actuary]

:-? I don't think Yahoo keeps last year's roster. I can't find it.


I'm willing to pay a double or triple share to have this convenience.

If you're volunteering you can pay my share. Just kidding.

I do leagues on yahoo and cbssportsline among other places. Other than live scoring I don't see a difference. :-?

[MountainHawk]

Have you looked at www.fleaflicker.com?

[JustASix]

If you're volunteering you can pay my share. Just kidding.

I do leagues on yahoo and cbssportsline among other places. Other than live scoring I don't see a difference. :-?
The main advantage for us is that they allow salaries and FA bidding to be managed by them rather than doing all that manually.

[Abstract Actuary]

Ahh, I see. The whole salary thing. Well, I would pitch in if we voted that way, but I would probably vote against it since this is a free league. Also it would be somewhat of a hastle to get whoever ran the league the money. Do you have a pokerstars account?

[JustASix]

Ahh, I see. The whole salary thing. Well, I would pitch in if we voted that way, but I would probably vote against it since this is a free league. Also it would be somewhat of a hastle to get whoever ran the league the money. Do you have a pokerstars account?
I do have a PS account. At least I think it is still active, I haven't used it in almost a year.
But, I do hear your point that this league is supposed to be free, I would probably just make contributions optional and figure out something to cover any shortfall. That isn't a huge deal though. Especially since I'm probably going to win the RFKL this year and will have plenty of money to cover our league fee. :wink:

[Expunge]

Are we allowed to make trades now??? If so we are entertaining offers for Willie Parker. We don't have ink oon his 1 yr contract below, so we can extend that if needed to make a trade work.

Expunge/Biz

Hold Outs ($97)
Joseph Addai asks for a raise to $36, and we sign him to a 5 year extension.
Willie Parker asks for a raise to $49, and we sign him to a 1 year extension.
Philip Rivers asks for a raise to $12, and we sign him to a 5 year extension.

Last Year of Restricted Contract
None

Multiple Year Restricted Contract ($54)
Peyton Manning moves to R2, $38.
Donte' Stallworth moves to R2, $7.
L.J. Smith moves to R2, $5.
Chad Jackson moves to R3, $1.
Michael Turner moves to R3, $3.

Unrestricted Contracts not released ($8)
Amani Toomer $2
Maurice Morris $1
Matt Stover $3
San Diego $1
Hank Baskett $1

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Anthony Thomas $20
Dallas Clark $3
Terrell Owens $36
Derrick Mason $9
Jay Feely $3
Buffalo Bills $7
Dominck Davis $34

Total Cap spent R's: $151 / 8
UR's not releases $8 / 7

[Kohl]

Are we allowed to make trades now??? If so we are entertaining offers for Willie Parker.
Yes, I believe you may seek a trade now. I'm willing to trade Anquan Boldin for Willie Parker.

We don't have ink oon his 1 yr contract below, so we can extend that if needed to make a trade work.

Willie Parker asks for a raise to $49, and we sign him to a 1 year extension.
Actually, I don't think this is allowed. My understanding is that you would need to sign him to a new restricted contract. Restricted contracts are a minimum of two years.

[JustASix]

Actually, I don't think this is allowed. My understanding is that you would need to sign him to a new restricted contract. Restricted contracts are a minimum of two years.He can sign a holdout to a UR contract if he prefers that, but there is no R1 contract. The difference being that in a UR contract, you cannot resign him during the season like you could if it were the last year of a R contract. If he signs a UR contract now, he is not eligible for the UR bidding season that will start in a few weeks.

[Expunge]

Precisely I would have gone R1 but thats not an option.

[Kohl]

He can sign a holdout to a UR contract if he prefers that, but there is no R1 contract. The difference being that in a UR contract, you cannot resign him during the season like you could if it were the last year of a R contract. If he signs a UR contract now, he is not eligible for the UR bidding season that will start in a few weeks.

Okay. Let's revisit this for next year. It seems like a holdout would want a restricted contract, but here Expunge could cut Parker prior to the beginning of the season without any salary implications.

[JustASix]

Okay. Let's revisit this for next year. It seems like a holdout would want a restricted contract, but here Expunge could cut Parker prior to the beginning of the season without any salary implications.
That's a good point. Maybe we make an R1 contract for this purpose that just doesn't allow you to resign later in the year (which we will probably be fixing for next year anyway).

[Expunge]

hmm... Id rather see a real R1 then, one that gives me that option to resign next year.

[Mo' 5!]

Anyone want to take over my team? Gonna be super busy this fall and don't want to just field default lineups every week. Just let me know. Otherwise, I will find someone to take over.

[Kohl]

hmm... Id rather see a real R1 then, one that gives me that option to resign next year.

This came up with Hines Ward, yesterday. IMO, no R1 is needed. You sign a player to a multi-year contract or they go to the highest bidder as a URFA. A player going into their last year of a contract should be resigned prior to the season. I realize some real players sign during the year, but I assume they have more bargaining power and not preset amount at the owner's discretion. Just thoughts for next year.

[Kohl]

Anyone want to take over my team? Gonna be super busy this fall and don't want to just field default lineups every week. Just let me know. Otherwise, I will find someone to take over.

New owner waiting list:
1. Money
2. Mayor Adam West
3. jmhans
Here are some options.

[JustASix]

Anyone want to take over my team? Gonna be super busy this fall and don't want to just field default lineups every week. Just let me know. Otherwise, I will find someone to take over.We did have a waiting list from last year so I will try those guys first.
I thought you might not have the time what with that whole running a new company thing. I'm glad that TIA is going well.:tup:

[Kohl]

We did have a waiting list from last year so I will try those guys first.
I thought you might not have the time what with that whole running a new company thing. I'm glad that TIA is going well.:tup:

Money was active earlier this morning. I sent him a PM.

[Kohl]

I think my roster list matches the one in the second post in this thread. I'm not positive it's 100% accurate.

Slight problem. I'm working on a correction now. The roster list in the second post is NOT accurate. I think the roster on the Holdout document is accurate.

[Kohl]

MountainHawk, udjw828, and I have valid posts.

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Joe Klopfenstein
Ron Dayne

You didn't have these players on your roster, so it doesn't matter. You also have Josh Scobee and the NYJ Defense, who I assume you are releasing.

[Kohl]

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Nate Burleson
Brian Griese
Eric Parker
These players are not on your roster. You also have Sammy Morris, Kevin Curtis, Ladell Betts, Jason Campbell, and Reggie Williams.

[Kohl]

Expunge has an accurate list of his team.

Okay, people. An accurate list of your team can be found on the last tab of the post quoted below. Click the arrow.

Here is a better version of the holdout calculations.

[JustASix]

Expunge has an accurate list of his team.

Okay, people. An accurate list of your team can be found on the last tab of the post quoted below. Click the arrow.
I guess I screwed that up. I knew I had updated the rosters (even mine), but I must have attached the wrong version in the 2nd post. Sorry guys.
This is another reason to use the cbs.sportsline league site.

[Kohl]

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Matt Stover $3
You drafted Matt for $1. I don't see any add/drop raise in salary. I think he remains $1.

[Expunge]

You drafted Matt for $1. I don't see any add/drop raise in salary. I think he remains $1.
even better

[Ultimate Anyone?]

I think I got this all right - it's late, but I don't want to hold things up....


Hold Outs ($18 for 1 player)
Lee Evans holds out for $25. I release Lee Evans.
Marques Colston holds out for $18. I agree and extend to an R4

Last Year of Restricted Contract ($103 for 4 players *)
Edgerrin James receives no increase or extension at this time. ($48)
Plaxico Burress receives no increase or extension at this time. ($18)
*Wali Lundy receives no increase or extension at this time. ($10)
Brian Westbrook receives no increase or extension at this time. ($27)

*[Can I drop Lundy at less than a $10 hit? If so, I'd like to do that.]

Multiple Year Restricted Contract ($36 for 6 players)
Kevin Jones moves from R3 to R2 ($21)
Eddie Kennison moves from R3 to R2 ($8)
Ben Watson moves from R4 to R3 ($3)
Baltimore Ravens moves from R3 to R2 ($2)
Vernand Morency moves from R3 to R2 ($1)
David Garrard moves from R3 to R2 ($1)

Unrestricted Contracts not released ($12 for 5 players)
Jon Kitna ($5)
Shayne Graham ($3)
Ryan Moats ($2)
Mike Bell ($1)
Arizona Cardinals ($1)

Unrestricted Contracts being released
I release Jake Plummer
I release Troy Williamson
I release Devery Henderson

I choose not to franchise any player.

Total spent on R's: $157 / 11 players

Total possible on UR's: $12 / 5 players

Remaining: $31 / 4 players

[dinosaur]

ok, so i haven't been around at all yet this year. where's my line-up & list of holdouts for my team? i'm sure i can find it but i'd like to make some contract decisions today (i can still do that, right?)

sheesh! :oops:

[dinosaur]

Wheres the current roster list with the holdouts?

found it, post #26...
http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/showpost.php?p=1978638&postcount=26

found it

[dinosaur]

so what do i need to accomplish today? i see Drew Brees wants $28, did he really beat his 3 year average by 100%?

Maroney is technically my only holdout since he's has a "R" contract?

How much do I have to pay Frank Gore to keep him? (assuming its possible)

[JustASix]

so what do i need to accomplish today? i see Drew Brees wants $28, did he really beat his 3 year average by 100%?

Maroney is technically my only holdout since he's has a "R" contract?

How much do I have to pay Frank Gore to keep him? (assuming its possible)Yes, Maroney is your only holdout. You can either sign him to a new contract at $15 or release him with no penalties.
Brees and Gore are UR contract players. That means other teams can bid on them and you have to match if you want to keep them. You could also chose to franchise one of them, but that would be pretty pricey for either of them. You have to pay them the average of the top five highest paid playesr at that position.

[Kohl]

Yes, Maroney is your only holdout. You can either sign him to a new contract at $15 or release him with no penalties.
Brees and Gore are UR contract players. That means other teams can bid on them and you have to match if you want to keep them. You could also chose to franchise one of them, but that would be pretty pricey for either of them. You have to pay them the average of the top five highest paid playesr at that position.
I think it is 62 for Gore or 24 for Brees. Brees may be worth it.

i see Drew Brees wants $28, did he really beat his 3 year average by 100%?

How much do I have to pay Frank Gore to keep him? (assuming its possible)

Drew Brees and Frank Gore are both on UR contracts. Don’t release them! I am prepared as are other to bid above their current salaries for their services. You have an advantage in that process of sitting back and matching bids.

Maroney is technically my only holdout since he's has a "R" contract?
Yes. You’re going to want to sign him to an R contract of 2 to 5 years.

so what do i need to accomplish today?
You need to release those UR contracts that are overpriced. And specifically on the players you wish to be involving in bidding. I think you want to release Julius Jones to bid on him later. You probably want to release Nate Washington, but he doesn’t really matter because you probably don’t want him anyway.

I propose you knock it all out today.

For example, you could do something like this…
Hold Outs
Laurence Maroney holds out for $15. I agree and extend to an R3

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Stephen Jackson moves from R5 to R4 ($45)
Chris Chambers moves from R5 to R4 ($23)
Roy Williams moves from R4 to R3 ($18)
Javon Walker moves from R3 to R2 ($17)
LenDale White moves from R5 to R4 ($8)
Randy McMichael from R3 to R2 ($4)
Jason Elam from R3 to R2 ($3)

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Frank Gore ($12)
Drew Brees ($8)
Greg Jennings ($1)
JP Losman ($1)
Jerious Norwood ($1)
Olindo Mare ($1)

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Julius Jones
Desmond Clark
Brandon Lloyd
Nate Washington
StL Def
Doug Grabriel

I choose not to franchise any player.

Total spent on R's: $133
Total possible on UR's: $24

[JustASix]

ok, so i haven't been around at all yet this year. where's my line-up & list of holdouts for my team? i'm sure i can find it but i'd like to make some contract decisions today (i can still do that, right?)

sheesh! :oops:
The only decisions you reall have to make today are dropping UR players so that you can rebid on them before the season and dropping R contract players that you want to start the penalty on this year. Other that that, you still have some time.

[JustASix]

*Wali Lundy receives no increase or extension at this time. ($10)
*[Can I drop Lundy at less than a $10 hit? If so, I'd like to do that.]
Yes. You can drop him now and take a $5 hit for this season only.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.

6874:bump: Sorry for the confusion guys, I just attached the older version of this last time. This one should be correct (at least better).

[Kohl]

:bump: Sorry for the confusion guys, I just attached the older version of this last time. This one should be correct (at least better).

I'm sorry to be a pain. It is better. But just looking at my team, Kurt Warner wasn't on my team at the end of last year, Michael Robinson was. So I think your roster page on the holdout file is accurate.

If that is the only problem, it doesn't matter because they're both off my team now.

[JustASix]

I'm sorry to be a pain. It is better. But just looking at my team, Kurt Warner wasn't on my team at the end of last year, Michael Robinson was. So I think your roster page on the holdout file is accurate.
No need to apologize, I just want to get it right. I will correct it. I actually thought this one matched the holdout file, but I guess I didn't check every player.
Thanks!

[Ultimate Anyone?]

*Wali Lundy receives no increase or extension at this time. ($10)

*[Can I drop Lundy at less than a $10 hit? If so, I'd like to do that.]

Yes. You can drop him now and take a $5 hit for this season only.

Then I would like to drop Lundy for the $5. (And if he suddenly becomes valuable again, I can still re-sign him, right?)

[MountainHawk]

Then I would like to drop Lundy for the $5. (And if he suddenly becomes valuable again, I can still re-sign him, right?)
Anyone dropped before the draft you will be eligible to bid on in the first FA period, but you will not have the matching rights you would have with a UR you held on to, as I understand it.

[JustASix]

Then I would like to drop Lundy for the $5. (And if he suddenly becomes valuable again, I can still re-sign him, right?)
I hadn't really thought about that, but yeah, I don't see why you couldn't rebid on him (since you are dropping him before the rookie draft). You would still have the $5 penalty though, no matter what you may sign him for.

[dinosaur]

I think it is 62 for Gore or 24 for Brees. Brees may be worth it.



Drew Brees and Frank Gore are both on UR contracts. Don’t release them! I am prepared as are other to bid above their current salaries for their services. You have an advantage in that process of sitting back and matching bids.


Yes. You’re going to want to sign him to an R contract of 2 to 5 years.


You need to release those UR contracts that are overpriced. And specifically on the players you wish to be involving in bidding. I think you want to release Julius Jones to bid on him later. You probably want to release Nate Washington, but he doesn’t really matter because you probably don’t want him anyway.

I propose you knock it all out today.

For example, you could do something like this…
Hold Outs
Laurence Maroney holds out for $15. I agree and extend to an R3

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Stephen Jackson moves from R5 to R4 ($45)
Chris Chambers moves from R5 to R4 ($23)
Roy Williams moves from R4 to R3 ($18)
Javon Walker moves from R3 to R2 ($17)
LenDale White moves from R5 to R4 ($8)
Randy McMichael from R3 to R2 ($4)
Jason Elam from R3 to R2 ($3)

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Frank Gore ($12)
Drew Brees ($8)
Greg Jennings ($1)
JP Losman ($1)
Jerious Norwood ($1)
Olindo Mare ($1)

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Julius Jones
Desmond Clark
Brandon Lloyd
Nate Washington
StL Def
Doug Grabriel

I choose not to franchise any player.

Total spent on R's: $133
Total possible on UR's: $24


:iatp:

Kohl, we must be brothers because after a quick review, this is precisely what I would have done.

And I'll be accepting applications for any trade offers. Doesn't mean I want to trade but I like to be entertained.

[dinosaur]

and just to clairfy without looking at the rules, you can franchise ONE player anytime during the free agency period before the season starts. capeesh?

[JustASix]

and just to clairfy without looking at the rules, you can franchise ONE player anytime during the free agency period before the season starts. capeesh?Yes. I'm not sure we shouldn't (in the future) require the franchise tag to be used before UR bidding starts, but as it stands today you can use it any time before the season starts. So, you could see how out of hand the bidding gets before you decide to use it.
Does anyone know how this works in the NFL? Can you franchise a player after he has been offered a huge contract by someone else?

[Kohl]

dinosaur, to franchise Gore it would be 64. (I forgot to include Portis in the prior calculation assuming it was based on last year's salaries.) Bidding shouldn't approach that.

As for Brees, using a franchise if necessary seems reasonable. You could land him at a bargain.

JA6, I don't know how it works in the NFL but I think this should change next year. I suspect it is against the NFL CBA as it would restrict serious interest in great talent like Brees. I agree currently dinosaur can pursue this gap in the rules. Honestly, even if it wasn't there, I don't think dinosaur should franchise Brees on the possibility of getting a bargain. He just has the ability now to pull the plug on bidding once it reaches 24.

[UNCORRELATED LAY]

I hope I didn't miss any deadlines.

Either way here is my updated roster

Holdouts
L. Coles - WR - Resigned - 2yrs - $16
J. Cotchery - WR - Resigned - 5yrs - $9
C. Henry - WR - Cut
C. Pennington - QB - Resigned - 2yrs - $7

Restricted

C. Williams - RB - 4yrs - $42
S. Smith - WR - 2yrs - $38
T. Brady - WB - 2yr - $20
T. Gonzalez - TE - 1yr - $17
M. Vick - QB - 1yr - $12
M. Jenkins - WR - 1YR - $2

UR - Cuts
T.J. Duckett - RB

UR - Resigned
All But T.J.


** I had a question about the resigned UR should I be using their current salary or last years?

[JustASix]

I hope I didn't miss any deadlines.

Either way here is my updated roster

Holdouts
L. Coles - WR - Resigned - 2yrs - $16
J. Cotchery - WR - Resigned - 5yrs - $9
C. Henry - WR - Cut
C. Pennington - QB - Resigned - 2yrs - $7

Restricted

C. Williams - RB - 4yrs - $42
S. Smith - WR - 2yrs - $38
T. Brady - WB - 2yr - $20
T. Gonzalez - TE - 1yr - $17
M. Vick - QB - 1yr - $12
M. Jenkins - WR - 1YR - $2

UR - Cuts
T.J. Duckett - RB

UR - Resigned
All But T.J.


** I had a question about the resigned UR should I be using their current salary or last years?You can't resign a UR player. You can only keep them and match any bids another team makes on them.
You are fine on the deadlines. The only one that is really important is the cutting UR players that you may want to rebid on. That is only really applicable for UR players that are currently overpaid.

[Hoosier]

Hoosier

Hold Outs
Vince Young holds out for $9. I agree to his terms and seek an extension to R5.

Last Year of Restricted Contract
Cedric Benson is extended to R5 at $9.
Santonio Holmes is extended to R3 at $6.
Alge Crumpler receives no increase or extension. Cap Hit $11

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Ronnie Brown moves to R4, $43
Santana Moss moves to R3, $18
Carson Palmer moves to R4, $19
Todd Heap moves to R2, $10
Muhsin Muhammad moves to R2, $7
Matt Leinart moves to R3, $2

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Carolina Panthers D/ST, $6
New York Giants D/ST, $3
Jeff Wilkins, $2
Maurice Jones-Drew, $14

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Jamal Lewis
Michael Clayton
Keyshawn Johnson
Mike Vanderjagt
Samkon Gado
Jerry Porter

Total Cap spent: $159
Total Players under contract: 14

[JustASix]

Hoosier


Last Year of Restricted Contract
Cedric Benson is extended to R5 at $9.Benson has to get $11 to re-sign. There is a $1 minimum increase to resign a player. He's still a great value at that price!

[MountainHawk]

Hoosier

Hold Outs
Vince Young holds out for $9. I agree to his terms and seek an extension to R5.

Last Year of Restricted Contract
Cedric Benson is extended to R5 at $9.
Santonio Holmes is extended to R3 at $6.
Alge Crumpler receives no increase or extension. Cap Hit $11

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Ronnie Brown moves to R4, $43
Santana Moss moves to R3, $18
Carson Palmer moves to R4, $19
Todd Heap moves to R2, $10
Muhsin Muhammad moves to R2, $7
Matt Leinart moves to R3, $2

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Carolina Panthers D/ST, $6
New York Giants D/ST, $3
Jeff Wilkins, $2
Maurice Jones-Drew, $14

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Jamal Lewis
Michael Clayton
Keyshawn Johnson
Mike Vanderjagt
Samkon Gado
Jerry Porter

Total Cap spent: $159
Total Players under contract: 14
Plus, the UR not released aren't yours ... they will be up for bid, you have the right to match unless you release them.

[Hoosier]

Benson has to get $11 to re-sign. There is a $1 minimum increase to resign a player. He's still a great value at that price!

Ok, I would like to resign him at $11

Plus, the UR not released aren't yours ... they will be up for bid, you have the right to match unless you release them.

Got it. Thanks for catching my mistakes.

[JustASix]

Plus, the UR not released aren't yours ... they will be up for bid, you have the right to match unless you release them.Technically, they are his players except that anyone else can try to sign them away for more.

[Mayor Adam West]

Did I need to resign/drop/etc. guys before the draft? Was that already done before I took over the team? And if I missed some deadline, can I get an extension? :)

I'm not sure I know exactly what's going on yet...I've never been in a salary-based fantasy league before, especially one as complicated as this one, so it's going to take me a bit to figure it all out.

[MountainHawk]

This is where you are now:


Carbon Life Forms

Hold Outs
None.


Last Year of Restricted Contract

Darrell Jackson (currently $20)
Andre Johnson (currently $13)

These two players you can either keep at their current price or extend them to a longer R deal if you want. I think you have until the end of the FF regular season to do this.

Darrell Jackson has a market value of $21, so you can extend him for a salary of $23 if you want. ($21 * 1.1)

Andre Johnson has a market value of $15, so you can extend him for a salary of $17. ($15 * 1.1)


Multiple Year Restricted Contract

Shaun Alexander moves to R2, $70.
Eli Manning moves to R4, $25.
Antonio Gates moves to R4, $23.
Thomas Jones moves to R2, $22.
Sinorice Moss moves to R2, $2.

Nothing to do with these guys, unless you want to cut them. See the rules for the cost of setting them free.


Unrestricted Contracts not released
Byron Leftwich
Adam Vinatieri
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
Ben Troupe
Antwaan Randle El
Kevan Barlow
Peerless Price
John Carney
Ashley Lelie
Mike Furrey
Greg Lewis

Unrestricted Contracts being released

None at this time.




The last two lists of players are the UR contracts. You currently have their rights, so you get the right to match any UCON bids. If you want to release any into pure free agency, you were supposed to have done that before the draft, though I wouldn't object to giving you an extension if you wanted to.

Note that if you don't release them now, but release them after the draft, you can't bid on them during the first week of free agency.

Total Players under contract: 7
Total Salary Cap used: $175

[MountainHawk]

Note, with your pick in the draft (he gets a UR $5 deal automatically), you are at 8 players signed for $180.

[JustASix]

Did I need to resign/drop/etc. guys before the draft? Was that already done before I took over the team? And if I missed some deadline, can I get an extension? :)

I'm not sure I know exactly what's going on yet...I've never been in a salary-based fantasy league before, especially one as complicated as this one, so it's going to take me a bit to figure it all out.
I have no problem with giving you an extension on the two deadlines that expired Friday. They are not that important and will not likely have any effect on you. MH gave you a very good summary of your roster situation. Feel free to ask as many questions as you want. You will usually get a pretty quick response from someone.

[Mayor Adam West]

What's the salary cap? I can't seem to find that anywhere.

Also, so long as you're under the cap, is there a limit to the number of players you can retain?

[MountainHawk]

$200. 20 player roster size limit.

[Mayor Adam West]

I also can't seem to find what positions we start each week.

[JustASix]

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 DEF, 1 K, 11 bench
It's all in the rules thread. 2nd post. There are couple things that are out of date in the rules, but the important things are correct.

[MountainHawk]

Here's what I think my post draft roster looks like.


Forces of Mortality

Currently 9 players, $149 spent, $51 available

Players Under Contract

QB

Jake Delhomme (CAR) $10 (through 2008)

RB
Reggie Bush $28 (NOR) $28 (through 2009)
Adrian Peterson (MIN) $20 (through 2007 - rookie contract)
DeShaun Foster (CAR) $19 (through 2007)
Deangelo Williams (CAR) $11 (through 2008)

WR
Marvin Harrison (IND) $40 (through 2009)
T.J. Houshmandzadeh (CIN) $12 (through 2008)
Steve Smith (NYG) $1 (through 2007 - rookie contract)

TE
Vernon Davis (SF) $8 (through 2009)

DEF

K

Free Agents where I hold Matching rights
Joe Horn
Pittsburgh Steelers
Philadelphia Eagles
John Kasay
Ryan Longwell
Rex Grossman
Bernard Berrian
Roscoe Parrish
Jeff Garcia
Owen Daniels

[MountainHawk]

Anyone interested in either Foster or Williams for a QB?

[Mayor Adam West]

My current roster looks like this (I think):

Carbon Based Lifeforms - Total Current Salary = $181

QB
Eli Manning - $25 (through 2010)

RB
Shaun Alexander - $70 (through 2008)
Thomas Jones - $22 (through 2008)

WR
Darrell Jackson - $20 (through 2007)
Andre Johnson - $13 (through 2007)
Anthony Gonzalez - $5 (rookie, through 2007)
Sidney Rice - $1 (rookie, through 2007)
Sinorice Moss - $2 (through 2008)

TE
Antonio Gates - $23 (through 2010)

FA's to which I hold matching rights
QB Byron Leftwich
RB Kevan Barlow
WR Antwaan Randle El
WR Peerless Price
WR Ashley Lelie
WR Mike Furrey
WR Greg Lewis
TE Ben Troupe
K Adam Vinatieri
K John Carney
DEF Indianapolis
DEF Dallas

[Money]

Money was active earlier this morning. I sent him a PM.

I don't always look at the top right, just saw it now.

I see Mayor Adam West posting, does that mean i am to late, next time....

[dinosaur]

I think it is 62 for Gore or 24 for Brees. Brees may be worth it.



Drew Brees and Frank Gore are both on UR contracts. Don’t release them! I am prepared as are other to bid above their current salaries for their services. You have an advantage in that process of sitting back and matching bids.


Yes. You’re going to want to sign him to an R contract of 2 to 5 years.


You need to release those UR contracts that are overpriced. And specifically on the players you wish to be involving in bidding. I think you want to release Julius Jones to bid on him later. You probably want to release Nate Washington, but he doesn’t really matter because you probably don’t want him anyway.

I propose you knock it all out today.

For example, you could do something like this…
Hold Outs
Laurence Maroney holds out for $15. I agree and extend to an R3

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Stephen Jackson moves from R5 to R4 ($45)
Chris Chambers moves from R5 to R4 ($23)
Roy Williams moves from R4 to R3 ($18)
Javon Walker moves from R3 to R2 ($17)
LenDale White moves from R5 to R4 ($8)
Randy McMichael from R3 to R2 ($4)
Jason Elam from R3 to R2 ($3)

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Frank Gore ($12)
Drew Brees ($8)
Greg Jennings ($1)
JP Losman ($1)
Jerious Norwood ($1)
Olindo Mare ($1)

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Julius Jones
Desmond Clark
Brandon Lloyd
Nate Washington
StL Def
Doug Grabriel

I choose not to franchise any player.

Total spent on R's: $133
Total possible on UR's: $24

I just realized Kohl missed a player...

Laurence Maroney moves from R5 to R4 ($8)

[JustASix]

I just realized Kohl missed a player...

Laurence Maroney moves from R5 to R4 ($8)
He held out for $15.

[dinosaur]

He held out for $15.

now i see that! :tup: :oops:

[Kohl]

The AOFF Rules imply that UCON bidding is a part of offseason FA bidding where salary cap and roster maximums are enforced. Mayor and Zoidberg are currently over the cap and should need to drop salary to participate in UCON bidding. Mayor, Zoidberg, and Abstract Actuary are over roster maximums and need to get to at most 20 players/defenses.

I figure Mayor and Zoidberg are aware. Abstract Actuary's initial roster post was in error due to an old roster file.

[Nate Burleson, Brian Griese, Eric Parker] are not on your roster. You also have Sammy Morris, Kevin Curtis, Ladell Betts, Jason Campbell, and Reggie Williams.
Be aware that these players may be of interest in UCON bidding and you have ownership rights.

[Mayor Adam West]

The AOFF Rules imply that UCON bidding is a part of offseason FA bidding where salary cap and roster maximums are enforced. Mayor and Zoidberg are currently over the cap and should need to drop salary to participate in UCON bidding. Mayor, Zoidberg, and Abstract Actuary are over roster maximums and need to get to at most 20 players/defenses.

I figure Mayor and Zoidberg are aware. Abstract Actuary's initial roster post was in error due to an old roster file.


Be aware that these players may be of interest in UCON bidding and you have ownership rights.

I thought I was at $181. Do my UR players count against the cap?

[Mayor Adam West]

I thought UR players were essentially like restricted free agents in the NFL; if I don't make them an offer, they're FAs, but if someone else makes them an offer, I can match it. Is that a misunderstanding on my part?

[MountainHawk]

As far as I am aware, UR players do NOT count against the cap until after the UCON bidding is over. They are essentially restricted free agents. Once the UCON period is over and they were not bid on, you have to either offer them another UR deal (for some unspecified amount, I suggested max(Market value, prior year salary)) or cut them and be ineligible to bid on them in the preseason FA bidding.

[Expunge]

If they arn't bid on, then you should should sign at the same price as the prior year, or cut them. it doesn't matter if thats below market value, because not being bid on essentially means they are above market value.

[MountainHawk]

If they arn't bid on, then you should should sign at the same price as the prior year, or cut them. it doesn't matter if thats below market value, because not being bid on essentially means they are above market value.
Fair point.

[Mayor Adam West]

So then how am I over the cap?

[Kohl]

So then how am I over the cap?

During the rookie draft, you be allowed to go over roster and salary restrictions. Before off season FA bidding, however, you will have to meet these requirements before you can bid on free agents.

During Off Season FA bidding, owners can place UCON bids on players with UR contracts.
My understanding is that your roster contains UR players. JustASix is the authority on this matter. I have your team at $206 and 21 players. There's plenty of time before UCON bidding begins, so you are now aware and JustASix has time to decide.

[JustASix]

You're roster does include UR players. They are yours until they get signed by someone else or they get cut. So, you will have to get down under $200 before UR bidding starts. That just means that you have to cut UR players that you don't plan on keeping.

[MountainHawk]

You're roster does include UR players. They are yours until they get signed by someone else or they get cut. So, you will have to get down under $200 before UR bidding starts. That just means that you have to cut UR players that you don't plan on keeping.
If I had known that, I would have cut a few before the draft.

Ah well.

[dinosaur]

i see there are some issues i need to address on here to help clear up and clairfy any confusion. this is our first time going through an off-season so i suspect most of you may have a slightly different interpretation of the rules or that the rules themselfs may need a little bit'o polishing. the questions and problems that may arise are a product of the growing pains of a new league, one that is fairly complicated to your garden variety fantasy league.

i will clarify UCON bids, FA bids, roster size & who counts against your salary cap. i think this league has taken on a different view of what UR contracts are and how they are managed in the league.

please be patient, i'll submit a formal response before 5PM today. everything i post will be open to discussion and clarification so we are all on the same page.

JustA6 & Kohl, not sure when the FREE AGENCY bidding period is supposed to start but i'd suggest mid July at the earliest. we shouldn't need more than 6 weeks of bidding to fill everyones rosters.

stay tuned :popcorn:

[MountainHawk]

I really think the UCON bidding needs to be before the FA market, not at the same time, or it's going to be a mess with people on different schedules.

I'm also going to be incredibly pissed if UR contracts count against the cap during the offseason, because Kohl, who is a board member, posted in the roster thread confirmed by salary as $128 at the time, which clearly excluded UR values. If I had any clue UR numbers counted against the cap, I would have released all but 2 or 3 of the players.

[dinosaur]

I really think the UCON bidding needs to be before the FA market, not at the same time, or it's going to be a mess with people on different schedules.

I'm also going to be incredibly pissed if UR contracts count against the cap during the offseason, because Kohl, who is a board member, posted in the roster thread confirmed by salary as $128 at the time, which clearly excluded UR values. If I had any clue UR numbers counted against the cap, I would have released all but 2 or 3 of the players.


during the FA/UCON bidding, you are (and should be) allowed to drop players with UR contracts. Kohl would be wrong if he previously posted that as your salary. Perhaps its your salary with players signed to "R" contracts :-? ?

a UR contract is by definition a contract player, not a free agent. UR contract players are only subject to UCON bids in the offseason bidding periods. The only competitive bidding goes against players who are truely free agents and not signed on any Fantasy team. At least that's how both of the previously established leagues work that I am in (one is in its 6th year). I have a proposal for this as I will write a formal response later.

[MountainHawk]

That should have been clarified BEFORE the deadline to drop players wthout penalty had passed, not after.

[dinosaur]

That should have been clarified BEFORE the deadline to drop players wthout penalty had passed, not after.

you can always drop a UR player without penalty. just as R contracts will always have some sort of penalty associated with them when they are dropped (excluding the retirement clause). and sorry, I haven't been perusing the Fantasy thread since the end of last season.

again, i will respond in full later today (i'll shoot for lunch time so you all have something to read when coming back - except for Kohl whose on the West coast).

i want everything clarified before we head into free agency.

[MountainHawk]

you can always drop a UR player without penalty. just as R contracts will always have some sort of penalty associated with them when they are dropped (excluding the retirement clause). and sorry, I haven't been perusing the Fantasy thread since the end of last season.

again, i will respond in full later today (i'll shoot for lunch time so you all have something to read when coming back - except for Kohl whose on the West coast).

i want everything clarified before we head into free agency.
No I can't. If I drop a UR player now, I can't bid on him the first week of Free Agency. I think you need to read the rules thread, we've been discussing the logistics of this for a week or so.

[dinosaur]

No I can't. If I drop a UR player now, I can't bid on him the first week of Free Agency. I think you need to read the rules thread, we've been discussing the logistics of this for a week or so.

I was talking salary cap implications and yes you are right here. If this is a common misconception, we should allow everyone a second chance to drop UR players who they thought didn't count against their roster size or salary cap.

[MountainHawk]

I was talking salary cap implications and yes you are right here. If this is a common misconception, we should allow everyone a second chance to drop UR players who they thought didn't count against their roster size or salary cap.
BTW, the mechanics are silly. If he's under contract, why are other teams allowed to bid for him? The answer is, they aren't. They are essentially restricted free agents that you aren't allowed to extedn until everyone else gets a shot that them first.

[dinosaur]

BTW, the mechanics are silly. If he's under contract, why are other teams allowed to bid for him? The answer is, they aren't. They are essentially restricted free agents that you aren't allowed to extedn until everyone else gets a shot that them first.

i'm only a participant in the other leagues, not the commish by any means. the sister league essentially views them as restricted free agents with indefinite contracts. however, one difference is when it comes to UCON bidding, only 1 team can bid on that player which locks out all others from increasing their offer. i think the reason being is because if you make a UCON bid on the public board, everyone can see what you are offering. anyone can offer $1 more which screws over the original bidder.

if multiple teams are allowed to make a UCON bid on the same player, the bid amount should be held private from the rest of the league. either that or you have to offer at least 10% more than the previous bid. jmo.

[MountainHawk]

i'm only a participant in the other leagues, not the commish by any means. the sister league essentially views them as restricted free agents with indefinite contracts. however, one difference is when it comes to UCON bidding, only 1 team can bid on that player which locks out all others from increasing their offer. i think the reason being is because if you make a UCON bid on the public board, everyone can see what you are offering. anyone can offer $1 more which screws over the original bidder.

if multiple teams are allowed to make a UCON bid on the same player, the bid amount should be held private from the rest of the league. either that or you have to offer at least 10% more than the previous bid. jmo.
I'd be ok with the UCON bids being PMed to the original owner, if we prefer to make it private. I don't like each UCON bid locking out all others, due to the nature of the league and some of us being on early, and others late.

I think the type of format JustaSix, Expunge, and I talked about in the rules thread is fair, with UCON essentially being a separate process with defined bidding periods.

[Mayor Adam West]

BTW, the mechanics are silly. If he's under contract, why are other teams allowed to bid for him? The answer is, they aren't. They are essentially restricted free agents that you aren't allowed to extedn until everyone else gets a shot that them first.

Yeah, I'm with MH on this one; I don't quite get the point of saying on the one hand that these guys are on my team and count against my cap; but that any other team can bid on them and take them from my team, and that unless I sign them during UCON they won't be on my team next year. That sounds a lot like restricted free agency; and RFAs shouldn't count against the cap until you actually SIGN them. That's how it works in the NFL.

If Joseph Addai was on my team last year and is entering restricted free agency this offseason, then he'll only be on my team next year if a) I sign him to a qualifying offer which no one offers over the top of, or b) I match someone else's offer sheet. If I don't want him on my team next year, I just don't give him a qualifying offer, and he's a free agent. So why would he count against my cap before I gave him an offer? If I have a UR player on my team that I don't cut, and no one bids on him (including myself), will he be on my roster next year? If not, he shouldn't count against the cap; and if so, this system is really strange.

[Mayor Adam West]

Also, along the lines of Kohl approving MH's assessment of his cap situation, JA6 implied that it wouldn't be necessary for me to worry about missing the Friday deadline of cutting UR players...which lead me to the understanding that UR players wouldn't count against my cap (since I would clearly be over the cap without cutting some). If this is indeed the rules we're going to go by...that UR players count against your cap....then I also agree with MH that those of us who are new or who misunderstood the rules might be benefitted by having a second deadline to cut UR players, where we can still bid on them at the same time as everyone else.

[JustASix]

I'll try to explain this as best I can here. As far as I can tell, there is no difference between UR contracts counting and them not counting. If you are planning to keep them, then they will count on your final roster, if you don't plan to keep them, just cut them. The only penalty for cutting them is that you can't re-sign them until the FA period after UR bidding.
There is really no difference between restricted FA and UR contracts other than you don't have to declare that you are re-signing a UR player, he just stays where he is.
I tried to make it clear that the Friday deadline for cutting UR players was only important in the case of a player that you might want to bid on at a lower salary than he currently has. That is the only time this could be a problem for anyone. If anyone would like to apply for an extension to that deadline because they didn't understand it (or I didn't explain it well enough), I don't have a problem doing that.

[Kohl]

Here is my spreadsheet summary. Simple answer for dinosaur, I'm from Texas. I don't figure anyone minds outing that type of information but that makes me uncomfortable. I am aware that there is at least one participant from the West Coast

[MountainHawk]

It's just a very strange system. I think it makes MUCH more sense to do it:

By draft: Relinquish rights to UR players from prior years that you know you don't want at current salary.

After draft: R contracts and rookies count against cap, and must be under the cap.

UCON bidding period: All players under UR contacts are available to be bid on via the UCON system. Logisitics to be determined.

After UCON: UR players that didn't get UCON bids must be signed to another UR deal for the same salary as the prior year, or cut into FA, without the right to bid on them during the preseason period.

Preseason FA market: All unsigned players available, can get UR or R contracts.

[JustASix]

It's just a very strange system. I think it makes MUCH more sense to do it:

By draft: Relinquish rights to UR players from prior years that you know you don't want at current salary.

After draft: R contracts and rookies count against cap, and must be under the cap.

UCON bidding period: All players under UR contacts are available to be bid on via the UCON system. Logisitics to be determined.

After UCON: UR players that didn't get UCON bids must be signed to another UR deal for the same salary as the prior year, or cut into FA, without the right to bid on them during the preseason period.

Preseason FA market: All unsigned players available, can get UR or R contracts.There is very little difference between what you are describing and what we are doing. The only difference is that the UR players that you want to keep at their current salary count against your cap during UR bidding, and if noone else bids on them you don't have to explicitely re-sign them to a new contract, they just remain under their existing UR contract.

[MountainHawk]

There is very little difference between what you are describing and what we are doing. The only difference is that the UR players that you want to keep at their current salary count against your cap during UR bidding, and if noone else bids on them you don't have to explicitely re-sign them to a new contract, they just remain under their existing UR contract.
Which is a HUGE difference, because you are able to have much more flexibility in UCON bidding. Your way discourages player movement, my way encourages it more.

[Abstract Actuary]

Abstract Anihilators updated

Hold Outs
Alex Smith holds out for $7, I agree to his terms but reduce his contract to R3

Last Year of Restricted Contract
Hines Ward ($23) enters his last year of his contract. At this time I do not offer to extend it.
Lamont Jordan ($43) enters his last year of his contract. At this time I do not offer to extend it.

Multiple Year Restricted Contract
Chad Johnson ($32) moves from R5 to R4
Jeremy Shockey ($15) moves from R3 to R2
David Akers ($1) moves from R5 to R4
Priest Holmes ($1) moves from R5 to R4

Rookies
Brady Quinn ($3)
Greg Olsen ($1)

Unrestricted Contracts not released
Deuce McAllister ($16)
Jerramy Stevens ($2)
Seattle Defense ($2)
Marcus Robinson ($1)
Aaron Brooks ($2)
Sammy Morris ($1)
Kevin Curtis ($1)
Ladell Betts ($3)
Jason Campbell ($2)
Reggie Williams ($2)

Unrestricted Contracts being released
Release Joey Galloway ($15)
Release Corey Dillon ($21)

Drew Bledsoe ($11) retired

At this time I choose not to franchise any players.

Without UR players:
Roster Size: 9
Salary: $126

With UR players:
Roster Size: 19
Salary: $158

[JustASix]

Which is a HUGE difference, because you are able to have much more flexibility in UCON bidding. Your way discourages player movement, my way encourages it more.You can still bid over the cap, but if you win you have to cut salary to add the player and stay under the cap (just like during the FA period). Then the players you cut, you can't re-bid on, but then you probably can't afford them anyway.

[Kohl]

I'm also going to be incredibly pissed if UR contracts count against the cap during the offseason, because Kohl, who is a board member, posted in the roster thread confirmed by salary as $128 at the time, which clearly excluded UR values.
I confirm that MountainHawk's restricted salary is currently $128.
I specifically noted it was your restricted salary.


Also, along the lines of Kohl approving MH's assessment of his cap situation, JA6 implied that it wouldn't be necessary for me to worry about missing the Friday deadline of cutting UR players...which lead me to the understanding that UR players wouldn't count against my cap (since I would clearly be over the cap without cutting some).
I was making a special point to warn people with especially overpriced UR players. My thought was that dropping any other player would not cause problems after the deadline because you probably couldn’t afford them anyway with the thought you are dropping them at a fair price.

If anyone would like to apply for an extension to that deadline because they didn't understand it (or I didn't explain it well enough), I don't have a problem doing that.
I think this is very fair.

[Abstract Actuary]

Kohl, there appears to be a slight discrepancy between my updated roster and what your spreadsheet summarizes. I think I have everything reflected accurately from the rosters in post 2 of this thread. :-?


Also, I am in favor of more flexibility during the UR period (UR players don't count against you until you have won them back or until after the UR period when you decide if you keep them or not). Although with JA6's last post, it won't be so bad, once you win a UR player bid, you would just have to cut somebody to keep roster restrictions in tact if necessary.

[Kohl]

Kohl, there appears to be a slight discrepancy between my updated roster and what your spreadsheet summarizes. I think I have everything reflected accurately from the rosters in post 2 of this thread. :-?

You're right now. I have been confused on your roster for a while. I left Brian Griese and Eric Parker on your roster and highlighted them blue because they shouldn't be there. I'll delete them now.

[Ultimate Anyone?]

I'm assuming the 22 in yellow for me means I've got 22 players on my roster - does that disagree with what I posted earlier? If so, who did I forget to address?

[Mayor Adam West]

I'll try to explain this as best I can here. As far as I can tell, there is no difference between UR contracts counting and them not counting. If you are planning to keep them, then they will count on your final roster, if you don't plan to keep them, just cut them. The only penalty for cutting them is that you can't re-sign them until the FA period after UR bidding.
There is really no difference between restricted FA and UR contracts other than you don't have to declare that you are re-signing a UR player, he just stays where he is.
I tried to make it clear that the Friday deadline for cutting UR players was only important in the case of a player that you might want to bid on at a lower salary than he currently has. That is the only time this could be a problem for anyone. If anyone would like to apply for an extension to that deadline because they didn't understand it (or I didn't explain it well enough), I don't have a problem doing that.

There's a big difference actually between RFA and UR contracts; an RFA gets a 1-yr deal only if I choose to give it to him; otherwise he's cut. If I'm understanding correctly, a UR player is on my player until I cut him or until someone makes a bid on him. Is that right? Not that that's bad or unfair, but it's definitely not the same as RFA.

So I need to cut at least one player and at least $6 in salary before UCON period starts, that's what we're saying? This is really not a big deal to me, because anyone I cut is someone I probably don't want to keep anyway. I'm just trying to grasp the system, which is fairly foreign to me.

[Mayor Adam West]

Just so I'm completely clear, let's take Peerless Price. He's a UR on my team for $1. Since he completely sucks, if I don't cut him, he'll be on my team for the rest of eternity (since presumably no one else will bid on him)?

[JustASix]

Just so I'm completely clear, let's take Peerless Price. He's a UR on my team for $1. Since he completely sucks, if I don't cut him, he'll be on my team for the rest of eternity (since presumably no one else will bid on him)?Correct. So you just cut him.
I still think the RFA vs UR thing is six in one, half a dozen in the other. The only difference is that a RFA is not on your team until you bring him back where a UR player is on your team until you cut him. It shouldn't change whether or not you want to keep him or how much he will cost to keep.

[Mayor Adam West]

I choose to cut Indianapolis Colts defense ($3), Peerless Price ($1), Greg Lewis ($1), and Kevan Barlow ($2). That puts me at $199 in salary and 17 players.

[dinosaur]

Here is my spreadsheet summary. Simple answer for dinosaur, I'm from Texas. I don't figure anyone minds outing that type of information but that makes me uncomfortable. I am aware that there is at least one participant from the West Coast

I knew where you are from but for some reason I thought you moved out west last year. I must be mistaking that with another player.

[dinosaur]

If I'm understanding correctly, a UR player is on my player until I cut him or until someone makes a bid on him. Is that right? Not that that's bad or unfair, but it's definitely not the same as RFA.

and to put emphasis on what JA6 said, YES you are right!

Not the same but its similar.

This league is just a fantasy in my head and everyone has done great job with the learning curve.

[MountainHawk]

Well, I release Parrish and Daniels.

I also noticed Garcia doesn't seem to be on my roster, pretty sure I had him.

[dinosaur]

I'd be ok with the UCON bids being PMed to the original owner, if we prefer to make it private. I don't like each UCON bid locking out all others, due to the nature of the league and some of us being on early, and others late.

:iatp:

UCON Proposal:

1. First, create a THREAD solely for all available UCON players (list all in the first post). Create a separate thread solely for Free Agents to manage the tracking of posts.
2. PM the owner the player who you are UCON'ing along with your proposed salary and contract.
3. Post ONLY the PLAYER NAME and position in AOFF 2007 UCON THREAD so people know who you are UCON'ing but they don't know the terms of your offer.
4. Any player with a UCON bid must be closed out and decided on by the current owner within 1 week of the first bid made.
5. You are allowed to have ONLY 1 active UCON bid at a time

Summarized Example:
1. Send a PM to OWNER: UCON Frank Gore RB 49ers $40 R5
2. Post a message in the AOFF 2007 UCONS thread: UCON Frank Gore RB 49ers (do not include the contract you are tendering him)

Thoughts???

[Kohl]

I'm assuming the 22 in yellow for me means I've got 22 players on my roster - does that disagree with what I posted earlier? If so, who did I forget to address?

My bad. I didn't log your post.

I also noticed Garcia doesn't seem to be on my roster, pretty sure I had him.

I confirm MH has Garcia.

[MountainHawk]

I also release Joe Horn.

[Abstract Actuary]

My bad. I didn't log your post.



I confirm MH has Garcia.

Your salaries may not be correct. I don't think they take holdouts into consideration. Mine for instance is $6 off (I think) due to me agreeing to Alex Smith's holdout from $1 to $7. This may change some others' statuses of being over the cap.

[MountainHawk]

There seems to be at least 3 different versions of the rosters in the files I have. Does Kohl have NEP, or are they a free agent?

Can we just get a Excel list of rosters with just Player Name, Position, Team, Type of contact, Salary, and market value?

[Kohl]

5. You are allowed to have ONLY 1 active UCON bid at a time
Let me confirm what this means. I open Gore and therefore I cannot open Brees while Gore is active. However, if Mayor opens Brees, then I may send you my proposal whil Gore remains active.

I do have a slight problem with this method. It is reasonable to assume you don't know if you have the highest bid. I would like to be notified immediately if I don't have the highest bid instead of twiddling my thumbs. Even if notification becomes the rule, there is the practical matter that people don't check in often and notification will be delayed.

[Abstract Actuary]

Let me confirm what this means. I open Gore and therefore I cannot open Brees while Gore is active. However, if Mayor opens Brees, then I may send you my proposal whil Gore remains active.

I do have a slight problem with this method. It is reasonable to assume you don't know if you have the highest bid. I would like to be notified immediately if I don't have the highest bid instead of twiddling my thumbs. Even if notification becomes the rule, there is the practical matter that people don't check in often and notification will be delayed.

If we do adopt this adjustment, then the privacy issue becomes irrrelevant because that person can just keep submitting bids until he is the highest bid.

I think I would vote against the private bidding, although I haven't thought it completely through.

[MountainHawk]

:iatp:

UCON Proposal:

1. First, create a THREAD solely for all available UCON players (list all in the first post). Create a separate thread solely for Free Agents to manage the tracking of posts.
2. PM the owner the player who you are UCON'ing along with your proposed salary and contract.
3. Post ONLY the PLAYER NAME and position in AOFF 2007 UCON THREAD so people know who you are UCON'ing but they don't know the terms of your offer.
4. Any player with a UCON bid must be closed out and decided on by the current owner within 1 week of the first bid made.
5. You are allowed to have ONLY 1 active UCON bid at a time

Summarized Example:
1. Send a PM to OWNER: UCON Frank Gore RB 49ers $40 R5
2. Post a message in the AOFF 2007 UCONS thread: UCON Frank Gore RB 49ers (do not include the contract you are tendering him)

Thoughts???
I'd rather see some form of the system in the rules thread, with a separate UCON bidding period, and with each player opening the bidding on one player a week. After UCON bidding is completed, then have a open FA system. UCON bidding is only going to take 4 weeks or so, I'm thinking. If we start right after July 4th, we should have most of August for a FA market.

[JustASix]

There seems to be at least 3 different versions of the rosters in the files I have. Does Kohl have NEP, or are they a free agent?

Can we just get a Excel list of rosters with just Player Name, Position, Team, Type of contact, Salary, and market value?I will get an updated version of the roster database with MV before we start the UR/FA period. It is just a very manual process so it takes some time.

[Kohl]

Alex Smith's holdout from $1 to $7.
I have Smith's salary as $7.

Does Kohl have NEP, or are they a free agent?
I have NEP on UR for $1.

Can we just get a Excel list of rosters with just Player Name, Position, Team, Type of contact, Salary, and market value?
I don't have market value but I'll post here everything else. AA can check if he agrees with my salaries for his roster.

[MountainHawk]

I have Smith's salary as $7.


I have NEP on UR for $1.


I don't have market value but I'll post here everything else. AA can check if he agrees with my salaries for his roster.
Cool, I can calculate MV if I really want to

[JustASix]

Cool, I can calculate MV if I really want toAll the MV calculations are in the holdout file. There is a seperate tab for each position and they are currently filtered for holdouts, but you can easily unfilter to see everyone.

[MountainHawk]

All the MV calculations are in the holdout file. There is a seperate tab for each position and they are currently filtered for holdouts, but you can easily unfilter to see everyone.
Except for Kickers. ;-)

[Kohl]

:guitar:

[Kohl]

:popcorn:

[Kohl]

:toast:

[Kohl]

:tup:

[Kohl]

:wave:

[Kohl]

:study:

[Kohl]

:band2:

[MountainHawk]

So nice he posted it twice!

[Kohl]

:dsmile:

[Kohl]

So nice he posted it twice!

:oops:

[Kohl]

:guitar:

[Kohl]

:popcorn:

[Kohl]

:tup:

[Kohl]

:toast:

[MountainHawk]

Thanks Kohl. :tup:

Do these assume holdouts will be accepted, or declined? (Are there even any holdouts outstanding?)

[Kohl]

Thanks Kohl. :tup:

Do these assume holdouts will be accepted, or declined? (Are there even any holdouts outstanding?)

Chris Cooley is a holdout for Zoidberg due $10. Everyone else has accepted or released their holdouts.

JustASix, I haven't kept track of penalties. What are the salary caps per teams including penalties?

[dinosaur]

Kohl/JA6, can you change the rookie UR contracts to something like NC for new contract or RC for rookie contract. otherwise I may inadvertantly bid on such a player not realizing it was a rookie. just thinking the rookies need a distinguishing contract and next year they will roll over to a UR or R contract depending on if they are bid on.

tks

[dinosaur]

I'd rather see some form of the system in the rules thread, with a separate UCON bidding period, and with each player opening the bidding on one player a week. After UCON bidding is completed, then have a open FA system. UCON bidding is only going to take 4 weeks or so, I'm thinking. If we start right after July 4th, we should have most of August for a FA market.

why do you suggest two separate bidding periods?

the purpose in the past is to you manage your team and salary cap at the same time while going after other teams players and free agents.

if you go after my UR players, i won't be able to go after FA's at the same time. i prefer the two are done in tandem.

[Kohl]

Kohl/JA6, can you change the rookie UR contracts to something like NC for new contract or RC for rookie contract. otherwise I may inadvertantly bid on such a player not realizing it was a rookie. just thinking the rookies need a distinguishing contract and next year they will roll over to a UR or R contract depending on if they are bid on.

tks

Okay. I'll make them NC. (The RC would make them appear on my restricted totals.)

[MountainHawk]

why do you suggest two separate bidding periods?

the purpose in the past is to you manage your team and salary cap at the same time while going after other teams players and free agents.

if you go after my UR players, i won't be able to go after FA's at the same time. i prefer the two are done in tandem.
Because the UCON bidding is far more important than the FA bidding for the most part, and we aren't all on a similar schedule. If we were getting into a live chat to do bidding, that's fine, but having the UCON bidding go on in a 'live' format instead of a structured one is going to disadvantage the people that can only get on from home.

[Expunge]

Okay. I'll make them NC. (The RC would make them appear on my restricted totals.)
Well that depends maybe RC appearing on your restricted totals is good.

[JustASix]

Because the UCON bidding is far more important than the FA bidding for the most part, and we aren't all on a similar schedule. If we were getting into a live chat to do bidding, that's fine, but having the UCON bidding go on in a 'live' format instead of a structured one is going to disadvantage the people that can only get on from home.
UCON may be more important, but there are some big time FAs out there that got dropped before the draft (like Portis). I think we need to allow bidding on those FAs during the UR period. We can use the normal FA rules that have a one week time limit already.

[MountainHawk]

OK, whatever ... I give up.

Let me know when you get your act together and are done making up the rules as we go along.

[dinosaur]

Dinosaur & Hoosier agree to terms for an exchange of Roy Williams & Matt Leinart.

Dinosaur receives Matt Leinart QB Ari from Hoosier

Hoosier receives Roy Williams WR Det from Dinosaur

Any objections?

[MountainHawk]

I object to any further transactions at all happening until the salary cap rules and offseason process is finalized.

[Hoosier]

Dinosaur & Hoosier agree to terms for an exchange of Roy Williams & Matt Leinart.

Dinosaur receives Matt Leinart QB Ari from Hoosier

Hoosier receives Roy Williams WR Det from Dinosaur

Any objections?

I confirm that I have agreed to these terms.

[Kohl]

Dinosaur & Hoosier agree to terms for an exchange of Roy Williams & Matt Leinart.

Dinosaur receives Matt Leinart QB Ari from Hoosier

Hoosier receives Roy Williams WR Det from Dinosaur

Any objections?

Seems like Leinhart is a steal this year and will holdout next year. Williams is undervalued this year and may actually remain so. Looks good on both ends.

[JustASix]

Dinosaur & Hoosier agree to terms for an exchange of Roy Williams & Matt Leinart.

Dinosaur receives Matt Leinart QB Ari from Hoosier

Hoosier receives Roy Williams WR Det from Dinosaur

Any objections?Sounds good to me. :judge:

[Mayor Adam West]

I object on the grounds that I didn't have time to try to trade for Leinart. Poop. ;)

[dinosaur]

I object on the grounds that I didn't have time to try to trade for Leinart. Poop. ;)

noted

and just think if you'd traded me a draft pick for Frank Gore so i could of taken Russell....i wouldn't of sought out Leinart...

tks!

[dinosaur]

Seems like Leinhart is a steal this year and will holdout next year. Williams is undervalued this year and may actually remain so. Looks good on both ends.

thought Roy Williams is a better deal than Boldin, that's for sure! plus there's a FA WR I really want

[JustASix]

:guitar:I finished my roster update. I agree with Kohl on everything, except that I have that Dino released Julius Jones.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.

6948
6949

Updated as of 6/10/2007Rosters updated. Finally. Sorry it took so long.
Please let me know if you find any problems.

[Kohl]

I finished my roster update. I agree with Kohl on everything, except that I have that Dino released Julius Jones.

:tup: My bad.

[Mayor Adam West]

Now that you have rosters updated, we have a trade:

Mayor Adam West sends Eli Manning ($25, R4) to Abstract Actuary.
Abstract Actuary sends Brady Quinn ($3, URR) to Mayor Adam West.

[JustASix]

Trade looks good to me.
Mayor has some cap room now. Is he planning a run on Julius Jones? Are there any other ND players out there? Maybe that TE (Fasano?).

[Mayor Adam West]

I'm reserving cap room for Rhema McKnight.

[JustASix]

I'm reserving cap room for Rhema McKnight.Just remember that you can't have fractional salaries. you have to pay him at least $1.

[Mayor Adam West]

Just remember that you can't have fractional salaries. you have to pay him at least $1.

:lol:

Actually, I just read these two stories the other day...
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3476
If initial impressions are any indication of things to come, the Saints may have found something in McKnight, a 6-1 1/2, 211-pound native of southern California. Over the course of the weekend, McKnight often was on the receiving end of aerials from the four Saints' quarterbacks.


http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-31/1180941658316720.xml&coll=1

On the first day of rookie minicamp May 12, Meachem sprained his left ankle, and it hampered his ability to practice, as did his admitted lack of conditioning.

In the four minicamp practices in which Meachem did participate this week, he was overshadowed by free agent Rhema McKnight of Notre Dame, and Dante Ridgeway, who spent time toward the end of the 2006 season on the Saints' practice squad.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.

6948
6949

Updated as of 6/10/2007:bump:These are official (up to 6/10/07). If you find a problem let me know asap.

[MountainHawk]

:bump:These are official (up to 6/10/07). If you find a problem let me know asap.
Thanks.

So anyone on the 'Rosters' tab with a UR 2007 contract is up for UCON bidding, right? If they are listed as FA or HO, they aren't eligible.

[JustASix]

Thanks.

So anyone on the 'Rosters' tab with a UR 2007 contract is up for UCON bidding, right? If they are listed as FA or HO, they aren't eligible.Correct. The FAs will be available for bidding after the UCON bidding is complete.
The only exception is a player that held out and was signed to a UR contract. I think there is only one of them (Willie Parker I believe). I will make sure to note that on the file before we start the bidding.

[dinosaur]

i'm going to be out of town from July 14th - July 20th on an internet free vacation. i'm not sure what to do since i won't be able to respond to any PM's for the week. i refuse to log in at some internet cafe in the mountains of Kentucky assuming i can find one in the first place.

i'm asking for an extension that week to roll into the weekend in the event there are any UCON bids against my team, or i will offer Kohl (or an innocent bystander whose interested in helping) to take control in the meantime. that is of course assuming we don't get Kohl banned in the next weeks time ;)

[JustASix]

i'm going to be out of town from July 14th - July 20th on an internet free vacation. i'm not sure what to do since i won't be able to respond to any PM's for the week. i refuse to log in at some internet cafe in the mountains of Kentucky assuming i can find one in the first place.

i'm asking for an extension that week to roll into the weekend in the event there are any UCON bids against my team, or i will offer Kohl (or an innocent bystander whose interested in helping) to take control in the meantime. that is of course assuming we don't get Kohl banned in the next weeks time ;)It might be tough to extend your players since they are some of the most important of the process. But, all the bids for week 1 have to be in by Friday (13th) so you should be able to respond to them before you leave. If not, you can send someone (like me, since I won't be in on the bidding for your top two URs) instructions of what to do with them. Anyone opened the second week you would be able to respond to when you return, but you wouldn't be able to bid on other people's players that week.
Most importantly, enjoy your vacation! :tup:

[dinosaur]

It might be tough to extend your players since they are some of the most important of the process. But, all the bids for week 1 have to be in by Friday (13th) so you should be able to respond to them before you leave. If not, you can send someone (like me, since I won't be in on the bidding for your top two URs) instructions of what to do with them. Anyone opened the second week you would be able to respond to when you return, but you wouldn't be able to bid on other people's players that week.
Most importantly, enjoy your vacation! :tup:

1st week is no problem. the second week you will have to wait until Saturday or Sunday...so get yer bids in the 1st week, arrrgh! besides, the player i want somebody already dropped :dsmile:

[JustASix]

Here is a better version of the holdout calculations. Thanks to those of you that helped me find my mistakes.
These will not be final until the rookie draft begins, but it is your responsibility to challenge any holdout that I calculated. If you think I made a mistake, you are probably right, just let me know.:bump:
These are the holdout calculations if anyone needs to see them.

I had a request for it, so I thought I would bump for eveyone.

[MountainHawk]

Mountainhawk signs Drew Brees (QB-NO) to R2, $21

Mountainhawk releases Rex Grossman.

[Expunge]

:bump:These are official (up to 6/10/07). If you find a problem let me know asap.

Yeah the prombelm is the links don't work now.

[udjw828]

UnDoubtedly JustWins would like to announce a paid of free agent signings, looking to bolster the WR corps:

1) UDJW re-signs WR Mark Clayton (WR-Bal) R5 $9
2) UDJW signs WR Mike Furrey (WR-Det) R3 $6

[MountainHawk]

Mountainhawk signs Jerramy Stevens - $4, R3

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.


Updated as of 7/30/2007Updated through today. The CBS site should also match.

[JustASix]

The attached excel sheet is the "official" roster database. Please check your team and make sure I have it right.


Updated as of 7/30/2007:bump:A couple people have asked about rosters. This is accurate as of a week ago. Not much hs changed since then.

[Kohl]

I see Roster Summary looks pretty close. It is a summary of Rosters tab. For others, I recommend using the Rosters tab. Here are some corrections.

Abstract Actuary lost Jerramy Stevens to Mountainhawk.

Jerramy Stevens - $4 - R3- Mountainhawk

[Kohl]

Dinosaur - Jerious Norwood $6R4 (happen just yesterday)

[Kohl]

Expunge is good.
Hoosier is good.
JA6 - Bulger $18R3 (happened yesterday)
Kohl is good.
Money is good.

[Kohl]

MountainHawk is good (other than JStevens above)
udjw828 Mark Clayton $9R5
ultimate anyone - john kitna $9R2

[Kohl]

ULay is good.
Zoidberg is good.

[udjw828]

UDJW releases Cincinnati Bengals D/ST, $1UR
UDJW signs Miami Dolphins D/ST, $3UR

UDJW releases Jeff Reed, PIT K, $2UR
UDJW signs Stephen Gostkowski, NE K, $3UR

[udjw828]

Can we make roster changes on the website ourselves, or does the commish have to do it?

[JustASix]

Can we make roster changes on the website ourselves, or does the commish have to do it?
Go ahead and make the changes if they let you. I will check the salaries and contracts after the fact.
Thanks.

[udjw828]

Go ahead and make the changes if they let you. I will check the salaries and contracts after the fact.
Thanks.


It asks for a "Bid" amount...I guess you'll have to make the changes...

[JustASix]

It asks for a "Bid" amount...I guess you'll have to make the changes...
Ok. I'll try to change the set-up tonight so that people can add their own players.

[JustASix]

I set it up so you all can make the changes now. I don't think you can set the salaries or contracts, but I can do that part.
I did do the transactions up to today. cbs should be accurate to now.

[Kohl]

udjw828, I believe you are over on cap and roster limit. I am sure you are going to drop two players. I realize this can now be done at CBS, but would also make a note of it here while the OffSeason FA period is underway as it will be easier on me to track it.

[udjw828]

udjw828, I believe you are over on cap and roster limit. I am sure you are going to drop two players. I realize this can now be done at CBS, but would also make a note of it here while the OffSeason FA period is underway as it will be easier on me to track it.

I'm working on it...my management team is negotiating whom to release...I had to hire an NFL capologist after I ended up with both Galloway and Brown...:swear:

I will make an announcement in the next few minutes...

[Kohl]

Your capoligist is cursing you for also being the bid of record on three other open players.

[JustASix]

udjw828, I believe you are over on cap and roster limit. I am sure you are going to drop two players. I realize this can now be done at CBS, but would also make a note of it here while the OffSeason FA period is underway as it will be easier on me to track it.
I agree. I would prefer if all transactions are posted here as well so there is a record of it when I need to go back and make reconcilliations. This is also where you would post the contract.
You can sign them to any contract you would like.

[udjw828]

Your capoligist is cursing you for also being the bid of record on three other open players.

:shrug:

[udjw828]

UDJW announces the following roster moves:

Cut Wes Welker, NE WR, $1 UR
Cut Charlie Frye, CLE QB, $1 UR
Cut Chris Perry, CIN benchwarmer, $3 R3 (what was I thinking)...$2 cap hit in 2007

Sign Reggie Brown, PHI WR, $14 UR
Sign Joey Galloway, TB WR, $6 UR

I believe this puts me at 19 players, $200