ulpian: 3/5 leads v suits, 4th v nt...can't remmeber whether you are upside down or rightside up
ulpian: also can't recall whether you keep up with the joneses or the smiths ;)
ulpian: udca or std?
EdmundB: std, plz. I've been playing a lot of udca with a person who mangles it.
EdmundB: I can do K-S update.
EdmundB: 3rd/5th & 4th is fine....