Actuarial Outpost
 
Go Back   Actuarial Outpost > Actuarial Discussion Forum > Careers - Employment
FlashChat Actuarial Discussion Preliminary Exams CAS/SOA Exams Cyberchat Around the World Suggestions

Meet the Employees of DW Simpson
Patty Jacobsen Simpson, Bob Morand, Kristyn Sakelaris, Sean Loboda, KC Cho, Maureen Matous, Ellen Page
Aaron Benton, Becki Tobia, Kimberly Skora, Margit Vogele, Barclay Burns, Jason Blundy, Dan Karrow, Tom Troceen
Valorie Mulder, Marianne Westphal, Carol Lee, Jennifer Retford, Kieran Welsh-Phillips, Lindsey Nelson, Emily Paxton
Angie Wachholz, Derek Mulder, Julie Garwood, Caitlin Cunningham, David Benton, Dave Retford, Sarah Cleveland, Rhonda Glick
Genevieve Shannon, Meghan Bautista, Carol Datu, Barb Rave, Jesus Perez, Dan Kane, Chris Zdenek, Scott Simon, Kriss Wells


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-13-2009, 08:50 PM
me_against_the_world me_against_the_world is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6
Default Why Are People So Pessimistic About Actuaries On This Board?

Is it just because the profession is struggling right now during the recession, or is the actuarial profession really not as great as most publications and professors think it is? Everyone I've met IRL and every publication thinks that actuarial is a field that is rising quickly and should continue to be a great field to get into, but the people on this board seem to think its horrible.

I know that health is up in the air bc of the Obama administration and pension is going down the drain, but what about the other areas?

What is your opinion: are people here right or overly pessimistic? I'm a sophomore in college so do you think this is still a good field for me to go into if I'm interested in it? The people on this board are really making me reconsider my career choice.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-13-2009, 09:32 PM
Mary Frances Mary Frances is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 830
Default

It's a wonderful, challenging career. Stick with it.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-13-2009, 10:16 PM
Koloman Koloman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 99
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mary Frances View Post
It's a wonderful, challenging career. Stick with it.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-13-2009, 10:21 PM
Mariner Mariner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Studying for ever
Favorite beer: Eye of the Hawk
Posts: 76
Default

Research the field as much as you can and see if the work is something you would enjoy. If it is, then do it.

There was a time that this board scared me like it scares you. I realized that although I can't expect a pre-2008 hiring climate anytime soon, I can expect to find a foothold in this career if I work very, very hard at it. I have a lot of work left, but things are already looking better.

Don't pick a career off of how easy it is to get a job that pays well, but pick one you will ejoy.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-13-2009, 10:24 PM
Mariner Mariner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Studying for ever
Favorite beer: Eye of the Hawk
Posts: 76
Default

Also, as a sophomore, there is a lot you can do to be in a very good position when you graduate.

If you are serious, start the exams now and get some leadership experience at school, work, etc.

If you aren't, get the leadership stuff anyways, put the exams off for now and try and figure out what interests you.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-14-2009, 09:52 AM
sideout1212 sideout1212 is offline
Member
SOA AAA
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,209
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariner View Post
Don't pick a career off of how easy it is to get a job that pays well, but pick one you will ejoy.
You darn well better consider how easily you can get a job and how well it pays. If you can't get a job or it doesn't pay well enough to support your lifestyle, it is called a hobby not a career. You would be making just as big a mistake if you only consider how much you like a potential career as you would be if you ignored how much you will like it.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-14-2009, 11:01 AM
MountainHawk's Avatar
MountainHawk MountainHawk is online now
Member
CAS AAA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Salem, MA
Studying for Nothing!!!!
College: Lehigh University Alum
Favorite beer: Yuengling
Posts: 55,657
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sideout1212 View Post
You darn well better consider how easily you can get a job and how well it pays. If you can't get a job or it doesn't pay well enough to support your lifestyle, it is called a hobby not a career. You would be making just as big a mistake if you only consider how much you like a potential career as you would be if you ignored how much you will like it.
You should have a lifestyle that your career will support, not a career that will support your lifestyle. You are going to spend approximately 25% of the next 40 years of your life working. It really ought to be something you enjoy doing, and are passionate about, or it will really eat away at your quality of life. And unlike money or material goods, life is an asset you will never get back.
__________________


"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -- Woodrow Wilson

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in. -- Elizabeth May

???? Jan 20: Freedom for the Bill of Rights

1 2
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-14-2009, 11:49 AM
JMO's Avatar
JMO JMO is offline
Carol Marler
SOA AAA
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Back home again in Indiana
Studying for CPD
Posts: 29,636
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
You should have a lifestyle that your career will support, not a career that will support your lifestyle.
ITA
Quote:
You are going to spend approximately 25% of the next 40 years of your life working. It really ought to be something you enjoy doing, and are passionate about, or it will really eat away at your quality of life. And unlike money or material goods, life is an asset you will never get back.
Well, at least you want to be working on something that isn't totally horrible to you. Every job has its boring moments, and/or times when things are awful in some other way.
__________________
Carol Marler, FSA, MAAA, A Dedicated Actuary
Just My Opinion (Although this statement is my opinion, and I am an actuary, it's still not a statement of actuarial opinion, and you really shouldn't rely on it.)

Updated quotes Apr 4:
Spoiler:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur Kade View Post
Actuaries (as a general rule) are uniquely UNqualified to work with derivatives.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan View Post
learning what the data are, what they mean, why they are plural, etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamTheEagle View Post
StompStomp kept saying "Happy Day!" rather than Happy Birthday. It was cute.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck View Post
Machines do not make human-errors but make machine-errors; humans do not make machine-errors but make human-errors ... even when the technology is there, it'd be a tough call as to which makes driving safer.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klaymen View Post
Life is a bunch of IF statements
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-14-2009, 12:29 PM
sideout1212 sideout1212 is offline
Member
SOA AAA
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,209
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainHawk View Post
You should have a lifestyle that your career will support, not a career that will support your lifestyle. You are going to spend approximately 25% of the next 40 years of your life working. It really ought to be something you enjoy doing, and are passionate about, or it will really eat away at your quality of life. And unlike money or material goods, life is an asset you will never get back.
Well first off, if you can't get a job in the field you like, it really doesn't matter how much you like it. Secondly, why would you care so much about the 25% and ignore the 40%+ that you are awake and not working? Seems pretty stupid to choose a career that you love only to go home and not be able to afford anything you would love to do with your family (which may even include being able to support a family at all, or not having to have a spouse work so that said spouse can raise your kids rather than some stranger). Hasn't your actuarial education taught you to take all things into consideration, not just focus on 25% of it and ignore the rest? Are you really going to take career Path 1 because you like the work marginally better than Path 2 even though Path 2 pays twice as much and is twice as easy to find a job? At the very extreme, why not just skip getting paid at all and do whatever you want all the time?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-13-2009, 10:32 PM
Mary Frances Mary Frances is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 830
Default

Oh, and try to get an internship between your Junior and Senior years. If you're lucky, you can get a feel for what it's like to work in an actuarial department and whether that suits you.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
*PLEASE NOTE: Posts are not checked for accuracy, and do not
represent the views of the Actuarial Outpost or its sponsors.
Page generated in 0.30096 seconds with 7 queries