Actuarial Outpost
 
Go Back   Actuarial Outpost > Actuarial Discussion Forum > Life
FlashChat Actuarial Discussion Preliminary Exams CAS/SOA Exams Cyberchat Around the World Suggestions

Berlin - Madrid - Rome - Paris - Hamburg - Warsaw
Barcelona - Vienna - Milan - Munich - Prague - Cologne
Actuarial Jobs in Europe
Athens - Amsterdam - Frankfurt - Copenhagen
Hannover - Dublin - Brussels - Lyon - Zurich


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-20-2012, 09:14 AM
Seydo Seydo is offline
CAS SOA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Studying for MLC
College: Alumni- U.C.C. Ghana
Favorite beer: Faxe
Posts: 7
Unhappy POLICY LOANS on Universal Life Policies...

I work in an African company, and I'm currently wrapping up with our company's reserves. We have a relatively huge UL portfolio, and the reserving basis is to use the Account values as at the end of the year. I had quite a huge reserve figure for this portfolio, but our accounts department are insistent I deduct the policy loans from the said figure, coz in actual sense that's what we'd be liable for. I've always known that it's wrong to do that, but i don't have any good reasons for not going by that way. Any help?? I'm getting battered by the finance guys. Our regulators, have no clear cut rule binding us from not doing that either. Thanx in advance
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Sleeping Dragon Sleeping Dragon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 69
Default

If the loan is held as an asset in the balance sheet, the loan should not be deducted from the reserve. When a policy surrenders, the company releases the account value and the policy loan.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-20-2012, 09:59 AM
Seydo Seydo is offline
CAS SOA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Studying for MLC
College: Alumni- U.C.C. Ghana
Favorite beer: Faxe
Posts: 7
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeping Dragon View Post
If the loan is held as an asset in the balance sheet, the loan should not be deducted from the reserve. When a policy surrenders, the company releases the account value and the policy loan.
Any particular reason for that?? It really surprises me that accountants would not know such a simple rule...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-20-2012, 10:28 AM
Sleeping Dragon Sleeping Dragon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 69
Default

If the policy loan is an asset in the balance sheet there cannot be a negative liability for the loan. Having a negitive liability would double count the loan in the balance sheet.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-21-2012, 03:56 AM
Seydo Seydo is offline
CAS SOA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Studying for MLC
College: Alumni- U.C.C. Ghana
Favorite beer: Faxe
Posts: 7
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeping Dragon View Post
If the policy loan is an asset in the balance sheet there cannot be a negative liability for the loan. Having a negitive liability would double count the loan in the balance sheet.
Yeah I think that should make sense to them.... They are so concerned about not making policy loans a representative asset forgetting that it will still be an asset and has to be stated in the Balance sheet.
Thanx a lot
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-20-2012, 10:38 AM
Chuck Chuck is offline
Member
SOA AAA
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,235
Default

Maybe in your African country, the accountants do not carry the policy loan as an asset? Then what they want would make more sense.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-21-2012, 04:09 AM
Seydo Seydo is offline
CAS SOA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Studying for MLC
College: Alumni- U.C.C. Ghana
Favorite beer: Faxe
Posts: 7
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
Maybe in your African country, the accountants do not carry the policy loan as an asset? Then what they want would make more sense.
Unfortunately, the regulation is terrible over here so every company does what it wants in order to make the books look good. It's a big problem.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-22-2012, 02:45 PM
timcomp timcomp is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 13
Default

Thank you for making an effort to change things.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
*PLEASE NOTE: Posts are not checked for accuracy, and do not
represent the views of the Actuarial Outpost or its sponsors.
Page generated in 0.19625 seconds with 7 queries