Obama's big lie

[Rockhound]

STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?
OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…
STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.
OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…
OBAMA: No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase. Any…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Here’s the…
OBAMA: What — what — if I — if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that’s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don’t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then…
STEPHANOPOULOS: I — I don’t think I’m making it up. Merriam Webster’s Dictionary: Tax — “a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.”
OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but…
OBAMA: …what you’re saying is…
STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.
OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

[Harry]

Today is a good day to hang out on the AO.

[yankeetripper]

Originally Posted by Harry

Today is a good day to hang out on the AO.

[ADoubleDot]

Originally Posted by Harry

Today is a good day to hang out on the AO.

annoying day to have a job, for sure

[Rockhound]

Actually, I don't really think Obama is that much of a liar as politicians go. He's just very very stupid. His conversation above confirms that.

But it must be tough supporting someone by saying: "no he wasn't lying then, he was just stupid".

[Guerilla poster]

Originally Posted by Rockhound

But it must be tough supporting someone by saying: "no he wasn't lying then, he was just stupid".

See W's supporters

[Len Myers]

Originally Posted by Rockhound

Actually, I don't really think Obama is that much of a liar as politicians go. He's just very very stupid. His conversation above confirms that.

But it must be tough supporting someone by saying: "no he wasn't lying then, he was just stupid".

No. Biden is stupid. Obama is mendacious. You could argue that Obama's IQ isn't all that high, but he has strengths.



Oh, nevermind.

[Guerilla poster]

this seems to be how the GOP pundits are spinning it based on listening to Rush.......Obama lied, rightocrats cried....

[Pseudolus]

Originally Posted by Guerilla poster

this seems to be how the GOP pundits are spinning

Well, duh. Obama (and surrogates) insisted over and over and over pre-passage that it wasn't a tax, then it gets upheld solely on the basis that it might not be called a tax, but, really, it's a tax. The GOP would have to be even bigger fools than they typically are to let that contradiction pass by.

[Guerilla poster]

Originally Posted by Pseudolus

Well, duh. Obama (and surrogates) insisted over and over and over pre-passage that it wasn't a tax, then it gets upheld solely on the basis that it might not be called a tax, but, really, it's a tax. The GOP would have to be even bigger fools than they typically are to let that contradiction pass by.

It was clearly a tax though, so the lie was like saying I am eight feet tall...