Are the Asians taking over the field?

[RANGERS684]

I know in this PC climate I'll be screamed at for mentioning a nationality; but I was just curious from looking at the list of passing candidates whether 75% of the actuarial world will be Asian (not that it bothers me). It's unreal what percentage of that list is clearly chinese, japanese, etc.

[Maxprime]

I don't know what race/geography you come from, so I can't make a true comparison.

But, Asians statistically are better at mathematics and have higher IQs (I'm not Asian) - I don't think that the passing list is surprising. As those economies pick up, more advanced services like actuarial work will become more prevalent.

[micaelagb]

Originally Posted by Maxprime

But, Asians statistically are better at mathematics and have higher IQs...

Is this true? Or does their educational system teach them to be disciplined to reach your goals and the US system doesn't exactly teach that. I think it's more of a cultural thing than an IQ thing.

[GefilteFish144]

Originally Posted by micaelagb

Is this true? Or does their educational system teach them to be disciplined to reach your goals and the US system doesn't exactly teach that. I think it's more of a cultural thing than an IQ thing.

I agree it's a product of culture and our educational systems. The cultural part is that Asian students are generally more disciplined and will study harder. And as for education, we all know that Asian students are much better educated in math than the US.

[cas_student]

Originally Posted by Maxprime

But, Asians statistically are better at mathematics and have higher IQs (I'm not Asian) - I don't think that the passing list is surprising.

You must be joking.

[North York]

Originally Posted by Maxprime

But, Asians statistically are better at mathematics and have higher IQs (I'm not Asian) - I don't think that the passing list is surprising.

You must be a pretty dumb white dude...cause this is contrary to what I've experienced.

[Maxprime]

Originally Posted by North York

You must be a pretty dumb white dude...cause this is contrary to what I've experienced.

I'm quite sure that your statement means that you didn't compare a handful of people you know to entire populations. Apparently my statement surprised a lot of people. I'm just re-stated the statistics, America is like 25th in the world in average IQ. Google it.

[Johan]

Originally Posted by Maxprime

I'm quite sure that your statement means that you didn't compare a handful of people you know to entire populations. Apparently my statement surprised a lot of people. I'm just re-stated the statistics, America is like 25th in the world in average IQ. Google it.

I did...
The table doesn't really look good, but it's clear that the top five is Asian...


wikipedia
Country IQ estimate Country IQ estimate Country IQ estimate
Hong Kong (PRC) 107 Russia 96 Fiji 84
South Korea 106 Slovakia 96 Iran 84
Japan 105 Uruguay 96 Marshall Islands 84
Taiwan (ROC) 104 Portugal 95 Puerto Rico (US) 84
Singapore 103 Slovenia 95 Egypt 83
Austria 102 Israel 94 India 81
Germany 102 Romania 94 Ecuador 80
Italy 102 Bulgaria 93 Guatemala 79
Netherlands 102 Ireland 93 Barbados 78
Sweden 101 Greece 92 Nepal 78
Switzerland 101 Malaysia 92 Qatar 78
Belgium 100 Thailand 91 Zambia 77
China (PRC) 100 Croatia 90 Congo-Brazzaville 73
New Zealand 100 Peru 90 Uganda 73
United Kingdom 100 Turkey 90 Jamaica 72
Hungary 99 Indonesia 89 Kenya 72
Poland 99 Suriname 89 South Africa 72
Australia 98 Colombia 89 Sudan 72
Denmark 98 Brazil 87 Tanzania 72
France 98 Iraq 87 Ghana 71
Norway 98 Mexico 87 Nigeria 67
United States 98 Samoa 87 Guinea 66
Canada 97 Tonga 87 Zimbabwe 66
Czech Republic 97 Lebanon 86 Congo-Kinshasa 65
Finland 97 Philippines 86 Sierra Leone 64
Spain 97 Cuba 85 Ethiopia 63
Argentina 96 Morocco 85 Equatorial Guinea 59

[sundwarf]

Originally Posted by Johan

I did...
The table doesn't really look good, but it's clear that the top five is Asian...


wikipedia
Country IQ estimate Country IQ estimate Country IQ estimate
Hong Kong (PRC) 107 Russia 96 Fiji 84
South Korea 106 Slovakia 96 Iran 84
Japan 105 Uruguay 96 Marshall Islands 84
Taiwan (ROC) 104 Portugal 95 Puerto Rico (US) 84
Singapore 103 Slovenia 95 Egypt 83
Austria 102 Israel 94 India 81
Germany 102 Romania 94 Ecuador 80
Italy 102 Bulgaria 93 Guatemala 79
Netherlands 102 Ireland 93 Barbados 78
Sweden 101 Greece 92 Nepal 78
Switzerland 101 Malaysia 92 Qatar 78
Belgium 100 Thailand 91 Zambia 77
China (PRC) 100 Croatia 90 Congo-Brazzaville 73
New Zealand 100 Peru 90 Uganda 73
United Kingdom 100 Turkey 90 Jamaica 72
Hungary 99 Indonesia 89 Kenya 72
Poland 99 Suriname 89 South Africa 72
Australia 98 Colombia 89 Sudan 72
Denmark 98 Brazil 87 Tanzania 72
France 98 Iraq 87 Ghana 71
Norway 98 Mexico 87 Nigeria 67
United States 98 Samoa 87 Guinea 66
Canada 97 Tonga 87 Zimbabwe 66
Czech Republic 97 Lebanon 86 Congo-Kinshasa 65
Finland 97 Philippines 86 Sierra Leone 64
Spain 97 Cuba 85 Ethiopia 63
Argentina 96 Morocco 85 Equatorial Guinea 59

Wow, I thought Hong Kong people in general are dumb!!!!! (I am from Hong Kong btw...)

[zeus1233]

Originally Posted by Johan

I did...
The table doesn't really look good, but it's clear that the top five is Asian...


wikipedia
Country IQ estimate Country IQ estimate Country IQ estimate
Hong Kong (PRC) 107 Russia 96 Fiji 84
South Korea 106 Slovakia 96 Iran 84
Japan 105 Uruguay 96 Marshall Islands 84
Taiwan (ROC) 104 Portugal 95 Puerto Rico (US) 84
Singapore 103 Slovenia 95 Egypt 83
Austria 102 Israel 94 India 81
Germany 102 Romania 94 Ecuador 80
Italy 102 Bulgaria 93 Guatemala 79
Netherlands 102 Ireland 93 Barbados 78
Sweden 101 Greece 92 Nepal 78
Switzerland 101 Malaysia 92 Qatar 78
Belgium 100 Thailand 91 Zambia 77
China (PRC) 100 Croatia 90 Congo-Brazzaville 73
New Zealand 100 Peru 90 Uganda 73
United Kingdom 100 Turkey 90 Jamaica 72
Hungary 99 Indonesia 89 Kenya 72
Poland 99 Suriname 89 South Africa 72
Australia 98 Colombia 89 Sudan 72
Denmark 98 Brazil 87 Tanzania 72
France 98 Iraq 87 Ghana 71
Norway 98 Mexico 87 Nigeria 67
United States 98 Samoa 87 Guinea 66
Canada 97 Tonga 87 Zimbabwe 66
Czech Republic 97 Lebanon 86 Congo-Kinshasa 65
Finland 97 Philippines 86 Sierra Leone 64
Spain 97 Cuba 85 Ethiopia 63
Argentina 96 Morocco 85 Equatorial Guinea 59

You might want to at least look at the page before you site it as any sort of evidence, because it is clear that the page is a discussion of a controversial (i.e. fake) table from a book including such useful estimation methods as: "In 104 of the world's nations there were no IQ studies at all and IQ was estimated based on IQ in surrounding nations.[1] For example, the authors arrived at a figure of 84 for El Salvador by averaging their calculations of 79 for Guatemala and 88 for Colombia. Those estimates are not included in the calculations of income differences and do not appear in the table below."

And seriously, if the population of Equatorial Guinea averaged an IQ of 59 then they probably would have trouble continuing on as a nation because they would be collectively suffering from mild mental retardation. Less than .4% of the people in the world test that low; I guess a large portion of them must be in Equatorial Guinea. They could take solace in the fact, however, that we no longer execute people in the US with IQs that are that low.

C'mon maxprime, do you believe anything you see or hear?