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#1
11-03-2011, 11:52 PM
 I_am_normally_distributed Member SOA Join Date: May 2009 Studying for DP ILA - U College: Boston University (Alumni) Posts: 47
How many points out of 120 for a 5?

How many points we need to get a 5 on DP? My company has the policy of only reimbursing exam fees and materials for those with 5 and above on the first try.

I just did my DP and am feeling terrible, I completely left 20 points blank and am pretty shitty on 40% of the rremaining 100 points. Is 50 points enough to get a 5 historically? Don't think I am going to make it this time but hoping for a 5 so I can get my mula back.
#2
11-04-2011, 11:54 AM
 Stan Member SOA Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwest Studying for awesomeness Posts: 4,505

Leaving points blank is pretty bad. By just putting something reasonable down could have gotten you a point or two.

I think it is close to 60-65 for a passing score, and I would guess if it is 60, then a 5 would be 10% less, so 54 or so. Nobody knows for sure what the actual passing scores are, but that is the info that I have gathered over the years.

if you did poorly on 40% of 100 pts then your likely score is:

40*10% = 4pts for bad questions
+
60*50% =30pts if you did "OK" on other questions or
60*80% =48pts if you did "well" on other questions

= 34-52 pts.

It is reasonable that you got a 5, but not that likely. Adjust these factors for your own belief based on how well you did.
#3
11-04-2011, 12:31 PM
 chris_arwood_sucks Member SOA Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Milwaukee Studying for life. College: NDSU Alumni Favorite beer: Old Rasputin Posts: 400

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Stan I think it is close to 60-65 for a passing score, and I would guess if it is 60, then a 5 would be 10% less, so 54 or so. Nobody knows for sure what the actual passing scores are, but that is the info that I have gathered over the years.
From what I've heard it varies by exam. They have a target in mind before the exam, and if that target makes the pass rate too low or high they move it down / up.

An anonymous study guide creator who has been on the exam committee says she/he has seen pass marks so low they "really surprised" her/him, and she/he also implied about 60-70 is average. So if it was a tough exam perhaps it could have been in the 50's?
#4
11-04-2011, 12:45 PM
 SamTheEagle Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 49,901

Your company's exam program sucks. I hope the raises they give for passing are incredible.
#5
11-04-2011, 12:49 PM
 ElDucky Free Mason CCA Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In a van down by the river Studying for Jeopardy Favorite beer: Space Coyote Posts: 25,581

The only policy on scores I've heard before was if you get a 0 you are out of the program for wasting time and money.
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#6
11-04-2011, 12:51 PM
 SamTheEagle Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 49,901

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ElDucky The only policy on scores I've heard before was if you get a 0 you are out of the program for wasting time and money.
Yep.
#7
11-05-2011, 02:10 AM
 I_am_normally_distributed Member SOA Join Date: May 2009 Studying for DP ILA - U College: Boston University (Alumni) Posts: 47

Thanks for all the great info, I appreciate it. Anyway, I work in Asia and the exam support is not that great. Good thing is you are still in the program even if you get a 0 so my downside is limited by a 5. : )
#8
11-05-2011, 07:29 AM
 limabeanactuary Mary Pat Campbell Join Date: Jan 2010 Studying for Anglo-Saxon Favorite beer: Bass Ale Posts: 14,060

While leaving points blank isn't great, I always left about 20 points blank on the FSA exams I passed (10 in the morning, 10 in the afternoon) .... but I was pretty solid on the stuff I didn't skip. I'm too lazy to look up what scores I got on the exams, but I think it was 7 or 8 (this was the investments track)

Thing is, your estimate of having 50 points can be way off. They're never going to give you enough info to figure out what your raw score, even if you fail and get the per item breakdown. But people often misestimate how many points they got on a question (both ways). Some people who thought they did solidly on a problem scored very poorly, and vice versa.

A 5 is theoretically possible, but determining the actual odds.... not really worth your time. So best wishes, and I wouldn't try thinking about it too much.
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#9
11-16-2011, 03:56 PM
 Stan Member SOA Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwest Studying for awesomeness Posts: 4,505

Quote:
 Originally Posted by limabeanactuary While leaving points blank isn't great, I always left about 20 points blank on the FSA exams I passed (10 in the morning, 10 in the afternoon) .... but I was pretty solid on the stuff I didn't skip. I'm too lazy to look up what scores I got on the exams, but I think it was 7 or 8 (this was the investments track) Thing is, your estimate of having 50 points can be way off. They're never going to give you enough info to figure out what your raw score, even if you fail and get the per item breakdown. But people often misestimate how many points they got on a question (both ways). Some people who thought they did solidly on a problem scored very poorly, and vice versa. A 5 is theoretically possible, but determining the actual odds.... not really worth your time. So best wishes, and I wouldn't try thinking about it too much.
Sound advice. All that matters are the scores above a 5 that you would receive in January. Anything below a 6 just means you will need to try harder next time.
#10
01-23-2012, 09:36 AM
 Stan Member SOA Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwest Studying for awesomeness Posts: 4,505

Quote:
 Originally Posted by I_am_normally_distributed How many points we need to get a 5 on DP? My company has the policy of only reimbursing exam fees and materials for those with 5 and above on the first try. I just did my DP and am feeling terrible, I completely left 20 points blank and am pretty shitty on 40% of the rremaining 100 points. Is 50 points enough to get a 5 historically? Don't think I am going to make it this time but hoping for a 5 so I can get my mula back.
So what score did you end up getting?

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