Poll: What % of jobs put up by DWS are fake?

[MountainHawk]

Originally Posted by Jonnyboy

I didn't have a particularly good experience with DW Simpson when I contacted them. They weren't very friendly and seemed to not be interested in working with me; told me that I would need an internship to make me competitive in the market and never contacted me again. Then again, it could have been a fluke, or they could just not care much about entry level candidates.

It depends on who you get, but there are two things working against ELC with a recruiter:

Many companies don't put EL jobs with recruiters, because they are get the applicants they need without the fee.

The fees a recruiter gets paid is usually a % of salary, so it's not worth their time to place a $50K EL job compared to a $175K FCAS job.

[Patience]

Originally Posted by MountainHawk

It depends on who you get, but there are two things working against ELC with a recruiter:

Many companies don't put EL jobs with recruiters, because they are get the applicants they need without the fee.

The fees a recruiter gets paid is usually a % of salary, so it's not worth their time to place a $50K EL job compared to a $175K FCAS job.

Many ELC come from job fairs and on campus interviewing. Most of the big name recruiters will not bother with you.

In addition, there are many who won't be receptive if they feel you are a tough placement. Lack of an internship is a negative. Not sure if there are any other, but as an ELC w/o internship I am not surprised you were not followed up on.

This is not a commentary on only DWS, as I think most of the big name would treat you the same.

[ADoubleDot]

Originally Posted by Patience

I will give OP a bit more benefit of the doubt than most here.

There are recruiters who post phony jobs just to get bodies in the door. Most of these prey on new entries to the market and expect the candidate to pick up fees. But the practice does exist.

Having said all that, I voted 0% as I would be shocked to find a company like Simpson to need to resort to that. Recruiters like I described no one goes to more than once or would every recommend and is usually one guy a desk and a phone, who couldn't get anyone a job who couldn't just as easily get it for themself

A sleezeball like that is the one who got me started in this career. Bastage still owes me $300!

#neverforget

[DataDan]

I agree that recruiters dont spend much time placing ELs. why would a company pay the recruiter fee when they throw up an online add and get 100 applications in a month.

also, the recruiter (stated above) makes less on EL placement.

I talked to one when I was looking for EL. She just told me how it was with no BS and helped me with my resume. there were no hard feelings.

[Patience]

Originally Posted by DataDan

She just told me how it was with no BS and helped me with my resume. there were no hard feelings.

that is something many of the recruiters need to keep in mind. and I am not really talking about the resume help. But now the OP has a negative opinion of DWS and will most likely not lose that feeling DWS lost a potential client down the road.

DD came away from his encounter feeling positive about the recruiter and may very well use her in the future.

Recruiters need to think long term and the few minutes it takes to be honest can go a long way over making someone feel like they have been strung along

[DataDan]

Patience is correct. The recreuiter left a good impression. I stil have her contact info and would trust her in the future.

[glassjaws]

I've worked with two different people at DWS and neither really rocked my world. I've worked with gentlemen at other recruiters that were better. I'll attribute it to the recruiters and not the company as a whole. I also realize I may be a PITA to work with.

[Incredible Hulctuary]

Originally Posted by Adversely Selected

We had a position open for over a year before we filled it. You would be surprised how many terrible candidates we interviewed before we found what we were looking for. I was more surprised they all made it through our HR.

Sometimes HR screens out the best candidates and gives you the rest, because the best ones didn't inflate their resumes with buzzwords designed for the HR filters.

[JMO Fan]

Originally Posted by General Apathy

http://www.actuaryjobs.com/pcjobs.html

Not all of the these jobs are up to date and still open.

I was approached by recruiters a couple of times for jobs that other recruiters had told me were closed.

[Annie Howe]

I found HR people are generally pleasant and easy to talk to, but they have no clue what the position is about, at all.

I still prefer HR screening my resume over a computer though.