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It was mostly the heavy handed preachiness of it that bothered me. I go to movies to be entertained. When it's that blatant I leave the theater being annoyed at environmentalism instead of thinking " maybe I should care more about nature". That's my problem though. Regardless, I have never felt a desire to watch the movie again.

I don't remember noticing anyhing added just so that it would look cool in 3D, so he may have at least not simply be using 3D as a gimmick, which would be a point in his favor. I may have just not been paying attention, although the most annoying ones are the ones I see even though I'm not paying attention, so still, kudos.
I remember thinking, Hey I'm watching Fern Gully in space. But honestly the redeeming features of Avatar were in the cool use of 3d effects which were pretty new and novel at the time. The story was very meh rehash of several other movies.
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Yesterday, I went to see R1 for the second time.

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(1) Definitely better the second time.

(2) Definitely better in 3D.

(3) Definitely better with a closed caption device to help catch dialogue missed the first time.

(4) I'm quite annoyed with the pricing structure. At a Cinemark, I could see a noon matinee for under $7. Plus $3 for 3D. And lounge seating in all theaters. The only thing near work, however, is an AMC. $15 for a freaking matinee?!? WTF?!? (I was one of four people in the theater, BTW.)

(5) 23 minutes of previews? Also WTF?!? (That Power Rangers movie is going to bomb sooooo bad. I can't believe it was green-lit. I mean, I *can*, because Hollywood, but wow.)

(6) James Earl Jones has obviously been out of practice with his Vader voice. Several lines come out sounding Caribbean, mon. Took me out of the action at both screenings.

(7) Why is the data port on the Mon Calamari cruiser located right at the docking bay doors? [Cue Otis Redding song]

(8) What the hell is the purpose of that rapidly opening/shutting iris at the top of the data bank? And how did the injured Cassian manage to get through it?

(9) I'm quite dense. It took me way too long to notice the parallels between Saw Gerrera and Darth Vader. He's basically the narrative equivalent of ISIS, which I noticed the first time. But I failed to notice the parallel in showing him (a) with missing limbs and (b) with a breathing apparatus that rather pointedly sounds like Vader's. So he's an "extremist" who has lost his moral compass and now violates the galactic equivalent of the Geneva Conventions as much as the Empire does. He has lost his way and "become his enemy". There were so many signposts to this that I missed the first time around, mostly because of the muddled, thick-accented dialogue.

(10) I paid particular attention to Tarkin. His portrayal was almost entirely convincing - nearly 95% of his screen time was perfect, including 100% of his first scene. The few moments that were less convincing were mainly when the animators added a minor facial tic at the end of a line. Something about those frames were just the slightest bit suspect. I think it would have looked more natural had they left those little tics out.

(11) Leia was fine. Frankly, with her single-syllable line, was it worth completely CGI-ing her face just for that? One has to wonder if it might have been easier to overlay existing footage (grading for light and shadow, etc.) instead.
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2) disagree it was better in 3D. unless you're going to go all the way like Avatar did, 3D is a gimmick and takes away from the film. there were spots in R1 where I noticed some detail in my 2D viewing, but couldn't spot them again in 3D because somebody decided to make that half of the screen blurry to enhance the 3D effect. pass.

5) yeah, that's bullshit. but captive audience and all that, I guess.

7) a better question is why is the Mon Calamari cruiser staffed by a bunch of humans?

8) regulate airflow? also, maybe Cassian made it to the top via a different path... like the elevator taken by Krennic

also... I thought the Mon Mothma casting was really well done. for a while, I was trying to figure out if that was CGI or not.
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2) disagree it was better in 3D. unless you're going to go all the way like Avatar did, 3D is a gimmick and takes away from the film. there were spots in R1 where I noticed some detail in my 2D viewing, but couldn't spot them again in 3D because somebody decided to make that half of the screen blurry to enhance the 3D effect. pass.
It's a gimmick that I like.

Maybe a better statement is that I enjoyed having experienced it both ways?
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7) a better question is why is the Mon Calamari cruiser staffed by a bunch of humans?
My understanding is that few Mon Calamari escaped the Empirical occupation of Mon Cala and subsequent enslavement of its population.
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Jyn: "Wait, how did you get all the way up here?"
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Jyn: ...$&#*ing !$% K-2SO...
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also... I thought the Mon Mothma casting was really well done. for a while, I was trying to figure out if that was CGI or not.
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(6) James Earl Jones has obviously been out of practice with his Vader voice. Several lines come out sounding Caribbean, mon. Took me out of the action at both screenings.
The line that clunked me out of universe the most was the "Be careful not to choke on your aspirations" one. More the writing than the delivery. But, yuk. Even George might have thought twice about keeping that one in the final draft.

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(8) What the hell is the purpose of that rapidly opening/shutting iris at the top of the data bank? And how did the injured Cassian manage to get through it?
The whole database is nonsense. Shouldn't that all be backed up in Bespin. (Because "Cloud City", get it?.)

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With a name that couldn't be closer to "Che Guevara" without actually being "Shea Gwavahnah".

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But I failed to notice the parallel in showing him (a) with missing limbs and (b) with a breathing apparatus that rather pointedly sounds like Vader's. So he's an "extremist" who has lost his moral compass and now violates the galactic equivalent of the Geneva Conventions as much as the Empire does. He has lost his way and "become his enemy". There were so many signposts to this that I missed the first time around, mostly because of the muddled, thick-accented dialogue.
I thought that Whitaker was the most believable actor in the movie, from the "can I actually see this person as a non-Earth-dweller in an entirely different Universe (or at least galaxy)" POV. Not sure how well he blended in with the rest of the actors/characters who were much more pulpy.

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(10) I paid particular attention to Tarkin. His portrayal was almost entirely convincing - nearly 95% of his screen time was perfect, including 100% of his first scene. The few moments that were less convincing were mainly when the animators added a minor facial tic at the end of a line. Something about those frames were just the slightest bit suspect. I think it would have looked more natural had they left those little tics out.
Still Uncanny-Valley territory for me. An entire video game with graphics like that would be fine, terrific even. But having that (high-quality) cartoon mixed in with footage of actual people was still jarring.

I think this was probably a better movie than Force Awakens. The direct sequel had all that fanservice to get out of the way. R1 through in touches, but mostly just did its thing. (Aside: I kind of wonder, would have been better to not have seen Vader at all until that last scene? More dramatic, for sure, and Idunno that his earlier scenes were totes neccess.)

Super dark, though. Not gonna sell a lot of action figures when every even-semi-major good guy in the thing dies by the end. (Even the droid! That's the sci-fi version of killing off the dog, which - and just ask Tom Hanks about this - you never do!) I'm one of about a dozen people using the Google messaging app Allo. (Mostly because nearly all my messaging is with my wife, and I got her to install it.) I'd been sometimes using "stickers" from R1 - cute things with messages like "Thx!" or "On my way!". I... can't bring myself to do that now. And I can't explain to my wife why, because she hasn't seen the movie yet. Does do a good job of finding a logical reason why none of these characters show up in "later" movies, though. I guess.
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(12) Over the years I've developed a bit of a "thing" for a certain characterization of the "tough female". Not much of a connection with the similar Rey, but boy howdy did Jyn catch my eye.

I've seen a couple of interviews with Felicity Jones, and she's thinner out of costume than in (probably a lot of bulk in those combat suits), so it's not so much the actress herself, but with her in-character I found myself a bit ... distracted.

(13) With the mild SJW-ness of the current crop of movies, I'm surprised the crew of the Rogue One (the stolen ship, not the movie) didn't feature any women, aside from Jyn. I mean, it's like they worked so hard to represent across ethnic lines that they forgot to cast any other *women*.

(14) IMO, the only completely unnecessary bit of fan service was that few seconds of R2 and C3PO. Could have been cut out entirely with nothing at all lost (and indeed something gained). This was even more clear in the second viewing. IMO they should've done a Wesley on them.
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(6) It was noticeably, almost distractingly, different. I chalked it up to Jones's age. I know they like connection to the original cast, but if they ever have a movie with more Vader screen time, they should consider someone else who can do an OT impression of Jones's voice.

(10) I've only seen it once, but I didn't understand the big deal people are making about Tarkin. I thought the CGI was great. My wife didn't know he was CGI (didn't know Cushing was dead.) I thought Mon Mothma might be CGI, too, but read afterwards that it was a different actress. Great casting!

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I was thinking: "So Guerilla"
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