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View Poll Results: Should Germany be proud of what they accomplished in WWII
Yes 2 13.33%
No 9 60.00%
Some of it 1 6.67%
42 nazi symapthizers 3 20.00%
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:18 PM
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They did well on the Western front early on. That's about it. Is it worth risking legitimizing atrocities just to point out that a few battles went well? Doesn't seem like it.

They built the best equipment, if considered as a single unit, but pretty much the worst engineering possible on a total war effort. Non interchangeable parts, hard to build, hard to maintain.

Their enigma machine has a cool name, but it turns out Britain was much better at encryption and decryption.
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:19 PM
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I'll give them naval superiority. Bismark went down to a lucky shot, and they didn't use the sister ship after that for fear of losing it. U-boats were great, until the codes were broken and Britain knew where all of them were.
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I'm pretty sure the Africa campaign with Rommel definitely should be on the list of good things until they stopped being able to provide proper support.
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They did well on the Western front early on. That's about it. Is it worth risking legitimizing atrocities just to point out that a few battles went well? Doesn't seem like it.

They built the best equipment, if considered as a single unit, but pretty much the worst engineering possible on a total war effort. Non interchangeable parts, hard to build, hard to maintain.

Their enigma machine has a cool name, but it turns out Britain was much better at encryption and decryption.
Not nearly as good as what those Yankees across the Pond could do: Navajo code-talkers
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Were most of the Vietnam war draftees pro-Nixon Republicans? German soldiers were German; doesn't mean they were pro-Nazi.
Do you mean pro-Johnson Democrats? Nixon began troop withdrawals practically as soon as he took office. The major fighting, including the Tet offensive, happened under Johnson.

Regardless, your point stands: not all German soldiers were pro-Nazi at all. Many were simply pro-living and serving in the German military was what they had to do to live through the war. Hard to blame the ones who fall into that category.

Does that mean that Germany should be proud of their soldiers, despite the fact that history has judged their cause to be quite unjust? I would say "no", but I wouldn't be ashamed of the rank & file soldiers either.
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They did well on the Western front early on. That's about it. Is it worth risking legitimizing atrocities just to point out that a few battles went well? Doesn't seem like it.

They built the best equipment, if considered as a single unit, but pretty much the worst engineering possible on a total war effort. Non interchangeable parts, hard to build, hard to maintain.

Their enigma machine has a cool name, but it turns out Britain was much better at encryption and decryption.
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I don't think you have to label every rank-and-file German soldier of WWII a Nazi killer, but there's not much to be proud of, either.

However, there were some resistance movements within Germany, that I was unaware of until recently. The White Rose and such. Those could be a source of pride.
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I do have to say, if they worked in the R&D area, Germany definitely was far ahead of everybody else with that. Smart bombs, rockets, tanks, the list goes on and on. Some less desirable than others but some were pretty amazing.
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