Abu Ghraib Frat Party...

[2pac Shakur]

I've heard the torture at Abu Ghraib compared to fraternity hazing. By people on board here, as well as by politicians.
Well, I thought hazing meant eating goldfish and paddling each other's arses. Not what I've been reading about Iraq. Which begs the question:


What sick perverted fraternity did you belong to?

Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

There was stunning evidence to support the allegations, Taguba added—“detailed witness statements and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence.” Photographs and videos taken by the soldiers as the abuses were happening were not included in his report, Taguba said, because of their “extremely sensitive nature.”

[...]


Such dehumanization is unacceptable in any culture, but it is especially so in the Arab world. Homosexual acts are against Islamic law and it is humiliating for men to be naked in front of other men, Bernard Haykel, a professor of Middle Eastern studies at New York University, explained. “Being put on top of each other and forced to masturbate, being naked in front of each other—it’s all a form of torture,” Haykel said.

Two Iraqi faces that do appear in the photographs are those of dead men. There is the battered face of prisoner No. 153399, and the bloodied body of another prisoner, wrapped in cellophane and packed in ice. There is a photograph of an empty room, splattered with blood.

[...]

When he returned later, Wisdom testified:

I saw two naked detainees, one masturbating to another kneeling with its mouth open. I thought I should just get out of there. I didn’t think it was right . . . I saw SSG Frederick walking towards me, and he said, “Look what these animals do when you leave them alone for two seconds.” I heard PFC England shout out, “He’s getting hard.”


In November, Frederick wrote, an Iraqi prisoner under the control of what the Abu Ghraib guards called “O.G.A.,” or other government agencies—that is, the C.I.A. and its paramilitary employees—was brought to his unit for questioning. “They stressed him out so bad that the man passed away. They put his body in a body bag and packed him in ice for approximately twenty-four hours in the shower. . . . The next day the medics came and put his body on a stretcher, placed a fake IV in his arm and took him away.” The dead Iraqi was never entered into the prison’s inmate-control system, Frederick recounted, “and therefore never had a number.”

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Taguba backed up his assertion by citing evidence from sworn statements to Army C.I.D. investigators. Specialist Sabrina Harman, one of the accused M.P.s, testified that it was her job to keep detainees awake, including one hooded prisoner who was placed on a box with wires attached to his fingers, toes, and penis. She stated, “MI wanted to get them to talk. It is Graner and Frederick’s job to do things for MI and OGA to get these people to talk.”

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

[Happy Skunk]

Originally Posted by 2pac Shakur

What sick perverted fraternity did you belong to?

Kappa Epsilon Gamma. Just like Steve and Brandon.

Tupac, why do you think Americans will care about this? Sodomy is just an amusing punchline that we can enjoy with regard to our correctional system...if it's good enough for American convicts, it's good enough for Iraqis, I'm sure.

[Mr. Grim]

I've been told that is an initiation ritual for skull and bones.

[Harry]

According to Fallout, this stuff isn't really torture. Let's ask him what fraternity he belonged to. Some sick, twisted Canadian frat house I'm sure.

[2pac Shakur]

Originally Posted by Harry

According to Fallout, this stuff isn't really torture. Let's ask him what fraternity he belonged to. Some sick, twisted Canadian frat house I'm sure.

Phi Cramma Stick Upyerbum

[Happy Skunk]

That's not even a real fraternity

[Moe Szyslak]

Originally Posted by Harry

According to Fallout, this stuff isn't really torture. Let's ask him what fraternity he belonged to. Some sick, twisted Canadian frat house I'm sure.

They probably sat around and drank Labatt Blue.

A-G might not be so bad IHO.

[fallout]

Sodomy, if it occurred is not torture. It is sick twisted abuse by a small group of abusive soldiers.

Do you honestly believe it was the policy of the US to have soldier sodomize prisoners?

This of course ignores the fact that the poster that posted this article is synonomus with no credibility.

[Zell Miller]

You evaluate an article based on who posted it? Interesting.