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Old 11-01-2008, 11:43 AM
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1)Does the 500 participant rule work by plan or by controlled group?

2)So if a plan had 2 plans with 1000 and 300 parts, and a Bargained plan with 400 parts, would they all be subject to at risk provisions if the 2 FTAP's were below the ranges described above?

3) Does the bargained plan get treated the same as any other plan for determining at-risk status?
1) Controlled group

2) If the bargained plan is single employer - yes

3) I think so. There's no special provision for bargained plan in the code.
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Thanks Rick. That is very helpful.
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1)Does the 500 participant rule work by plan or by controlled group?

2)So if a plan had 2 plans with 1000 and 300 parts, and a Bargained plan with 400 parts, would they all be subject to at risk provisions if the 2 FTAP's were below the ranges described above?

3) Does the bargained plan get treated the same as any other plan for determining at-risk status?
(1) It is based on controlled group
(2) No, each plan's FTAP values are calculated separately to determine if they are At-Risk. Only the participant count rule is based on the controlled group.
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Dave,

According to your study guide, the FTAP for determining at-risk status doesn't use any loading factors (unless that was already assumed) nor does it have the phase-in apply.
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According to your study guide, the FTAP for determining at-risk status doesn't use any loading factors (unless that was already assumed) nor does it have the phase-in apply.
That is true. It only uses the assumptions stated in 430(i).
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