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Old 10-08-2019, 01:31 PM
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I could not bring myself to vote for any. Associates should not vote and the societies have bigger issues than Diversity. Just my two cents.
Why does it matter if associates vote? is it just a prestige thing?
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:46 PM
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IIRC, some of the candidates agreed with you re: associates voting, and some had other issues than diversity as their top issue.

Maybe none had this combination, I don't recall.
Personally, the responses against ACAS voting were contrived and based on emotion or some form of needing to pass through some form of litmus test/right of passage...

If you don't want ACAS's to vote then they shouldn't have to pay for membership.
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Old 10-14-2019, 12:02 PM
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Why does it matter if associates vote? is it just a prestige thing?
It's a matter of having to pay the same dues but getting none of the voting rights and limited ability to participate in CAS functions. (Some of which I can understand, some of which I can't.) Fellows can take any number of actions that directly impact Associates and Associates have zero opportunity to participate in the decision.

I'm OK with Fellows saying "we don't want Associates to be able to vote." Just don't pretend like Associates are full equal members when it's pretty apparent they're not.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:19 PM
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It's a matter of having to pay the same dues but getting none of the voting rights and limited ability to participate in CAS functions. (Some of which I can understand, some of which I can't.) Fellows can take any number of actions that directly impact Associates and Associates have zero opportunity to participate in the decision.

I'm OK with Fellows saying "we don't want Associates to be able to vote." Just don't pretend like Associates are full equal members when it's pretty apparent they're not.
Sorry I meant from the other direction -- why don't fellows want associates to vote?
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Why does it matter if associates vote? is it just a prestige thing?
Same reason it matters if fellows vote.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:24 AM
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Sorry I meant from the other direction -- why don't fellows want associates to vote?
I'm not a fellow, but I think there's quite a bit of "when I was an Associate I didn't get to vote; I had to get to Fellow before I got to vote - any Associate who wants to vote should do what I did." It's the same kind of logic that argues for perpetuating any kind of outdated thinking, like "we don't need cell phones" or "we don't need computers" or "we don't need electricity" or "we don't need fireproof construction materials" or so on.
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Maybe it's that ASAs (after 5 years) can vote, and who wants to follow the SOA?
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:44 PM
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I'm not a fellow, but I think there's quite a bit of "when I was an Associate I didn't get to vote; I had to get to Fellow before I got to vote - any Associate who wants to vote should do what I did." It's the same kind of logic that argues for perpetuating any kind of outdated thinking, like "we don't need cell phones" or "we don't need computers" or "we don't need electricity" or "we don't need fireproof construction materials" or so on.
This is pretty much the argument the candidates who were against it made.
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