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Old 04-24-2008, 10:13 AM
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Default How to get a job when you're smarter than the person interviewing you?

A lot of people have insecurities about their own level of competence. People who rely extensively on social structure to get through life. It's relatively easy for these people to mimic the average level of knowledge, but they secretly fear what will happen when they are asked to solve a truly novel problem. But they are good at running around glad-handling other people to boost morale or whatever. So sometimes they get promoted. More so in a developed economy, and in established big business where a large amount of capitol may favor a more conservative approach. But when difficult problems need to be solved, these people are just in the way - and they know it.

People with a natural understanding of the physical world and with a natural competence challenge these people's sense of self worth. It's like looking at the person you were afraid you were supposed to be but aren't. The natural human reaction in a situation like that is of course to try and assault that person's character and beat them down any way you can.

If you are that person with that natural understanding, it can be difficult to hide it completely in case you are being interviewed by someone with these insecurities. Think of all the difference in mannerisms afforded to someone with a natural understanding of the world around them.

The competent person is not reactive. They do not have genuine emotional reactions to things said in a conversation because it's not their first time hearing that idea. You can't fake that. An interviewer with the above insecurities likes seeing that re-activeness, because it makes them feel in control.

This has absolutely nothing to do with, and cannot be related in any way to friendliness or people skills.

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I didn't get a job in math stuff because I wanna read that much. Long story short, hang with 2pac and you'll be more accepting of the people.
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Ha!

I can say that I relate, and perhaps many actuaries can relate to the OP in some respect. Most actuaries are in fact smarter than the average bear. But I think you have to be mature and humble to "get along" with others.

That's my strategy anyway. I excel at maturity and humility (in addition to superior intellect, of course).
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I can say that I relate, and perhaps many actuaries can relate to the OP in some respect. Most actuaries are in fact smarter than the average bear.
In HS, we used to say, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
For this thread, I think its "If your so smart, why can't you even get hired?"
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In HS, we used to say, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
For this thread, I think its "If your so smart, why can't you even get hired?"
Both are dumb questions.
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In HS, we used to say, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
For this thread, I think its "If your so smart, why can't you even get hired?"
Indeed.

I was going to reply to his "I can run corporate life" quote (run it? as a CEO? Run the copier? What?) with advice to start his own corporation. Because interviewing to work for someone else is clearly not working out for him.
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I was going to reply to his "I can run corporate life" quote (run it? as a CEO? Run the copier? What?) with advice to start his own corporation. Because interviewing to work for someone else is clearly not working out for him.
The trouble with running his own company is that he would then need to win over clients, which would involve being personable not to actuaries (dumber than him, but smarter than the average bear), but to being personable with regular people. That is something I really don't think our good friend would be capable of. Although, I would really like to see a TV show of how this guy interacts with the rest of the world, so maybe that's an avenue worth pursuit.
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Indeed.

I was going to reply to his "I can run corporate life" quote (run it? as a CEO? Run the copier? What?) with advice to start his own corporation. Because interviewing to work for someone else is clearly not working out for him.
I will eventually, although the hiring situation is not hopeless I just get sick of all the loons I am exposed to especially when the job market is so small. The issue here is leverage. Because few companies have repercussions for poor hiring criteria, the interviewer can not hire you because you look like their husband's/wife's ex or any other silly reason.

Thus you have far less leverage with them than you do in most any other type of interaction. You are on better ground talking to someone off the street.

People use this leverage to act in a selfish and irrational manner as an outlet for all the rules that they do not understand but have to follow in corporate life. It is just like saying it is ok to steal as long as you don't get caught.
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In HS, we used to say, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
For this thread, I think its "If your so smart, why can't you even get hired?"
Being smart is niether necessary nor sufficeint to being rich. If you were smart, you would realize this.

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