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Old 10-09-2007, 08:51 AM
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I'm getting mixed advice on how to pronounce z and c.

luz pronounced as "looth" or "loose"

cerveza pronounced as "sair-vase-a", "sair-vathe-a", or "thair-vathe-a"


Is there a "th" sound at the end of usted?

What's the deal?
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I am from Peru (Lima), where we pronounce the z,s, and c in the same way. The same for v and b, no difference at all. However, this depends on the country/region. In some regions of Spain they pronounce the z differently than the s or c. In Lima we also pronounce the y and ll identically, but people from other regions in Peru do it differently.

Oh, and there is no "th" sound at the end of "usted".

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In some regions of Spain they pronounce the z differently than the s or c.
I concur.

My freshman year high-school spanish teacher used to pronounce the z as 'th,' and that's where I learned the above fact.
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Thanks for the responses.

The CD I'm listening to says the proper pronunciation of ll (ell-yay) has a subtle "l" sound before the y sound.

example calle --> kilyay.

This conflicts with what my high school spanish teacher taught me. ki-yay

The CD mentions that some people pronounce "z" as "s" but it's improper.

Is there a standard Spanish pronunciation analagous to standard English? How would a TV newsreporter in Madrid or Buenos Aires pronounce these sounds?
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The CD I'm listening to says the proper pronunciation of ll (ell-yay) has a subtle "l" sound before the y sound.
Wow, I have never heard of that.

Where is the CD from? I have been mostly influenced by the Spanish spoken in Mexico.
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The CD I'm listening to says the proper pronunciation of ll (ell-yay) has a subtle "l" sound before the y sound.
That is how it is pronounced in some parts of Peru (My mom and my wife do it that way)

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The CD mentions that some people pronounce "z" as "s" but it's improper.
I think that only people in Spain pronounce "z" and "s" differently.

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How would a TV newsreporter in Madrid or Buenos Aires pronounce these sounds?
Madrid: already answered
BsAs: I think that like a guy from Lima but with an argentinean accent (no diff between z & s, y & ll).

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I'm getting mixed advice on how to pronounce z and c.

luz pronounced as "looth" or "loose"

cerveza pronounced as "sair-vase-a", "sair-vathe-a", or "thair-vathe-a"


Is there a "th" sound at the end of usted?

What's the deal?
Unless you are in Spain it doesn't tend to matter much. In Spain (I believe) the "z" sounds like "th", s and c both sound like "ss"
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I am from Peru (Lima), where we pronounce the z,s, and c in the same way. The same for v and b, no difference at all. However, this depends on the country/region. In some regions of Spain they pronounce the z differently than the s or c. In Lima we also pronounce the y and ll identically, but people from other regions in Peru do it differently.

Oh, and there is no "th" sound at the end of "usted".
What part of Lima are you from? I've lived in Chaclacayo, Campoy and Manchay (as well as Tarma and Jauja)
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So basically the answer is to adapt to the locale, makes sense.

Can people from different Spanish speaking countries easily undestand each other?

Spain, PR, Peru, Dominican Republic etc.?
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So basically the answer is to adapt to the locale, makes sense.

Can people from different Spanish speaking countries easily undestand each other?

Spain, PR, Peru, Dominican Republic etc.?
For the most part (granted, I'm a gringo, but I have lived in Peru). It is kinda strange listening to someone speak with the accent from Spain (I just can't get used to all of the 'th's)... but it's mostly like having a conversation between someone from Britain, Georgia, Boston and Australia. They can all understand one another - for the most part - but they'll all walk away saying "man, those three guys talk funny".
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