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Old 10-20-2017, 11:52 AM
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Good companies have "upper management" seeking feedback from their direct report chain. So there shouldn't be a need to figure out how to pass feedback information up.
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I've provided honest constructive criticism when I left my last two jobs that I held prior to the current one.

First job (medium-sized insurance company) I'm certain that precisely nothing came of it, despite multiple people having left similar feedback.

Second one, upper management was beginning to be aware that there might be some kind of problem with middle management that was causing all of the worker-bees to flee and big changes happened in the 9 months after I left.

In the second case, I think the sheer volume of employees quitting and getting fired got the situation onto people's radar. (Annual turnover rate was well over 100%.) And HR was *super* interested in what I had to say, more so than any other exit interview I've ever had. So perhaps what I had to say actually made some difference in that case. It was a pretty small company, and I think they tend to care why people leave more than big ones do.
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Good companies have "upper management" seeking feedback from their direct report chain. So there shouldn't be a need to figure out how to pass feedback information up.
I'd think most companies think they have this.

I don't know if my experience is unusual, but most places I've worked at have had at least one MAJOR level of disconnect in the path, generally driven by one level that really doesn't want to hear any bad news, let alone accept it.
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Senior management is usually somewhat opening to hear bad things about lower levels of management.

Senior management is usually not open to hear bad things about senior management, even though they may try to give the impression that they are.
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I had a boss once that I had to explicitly tell "I don't read minds. If there's something that happens in a senior staff meeting (our VP's direct reports and lead actuaries, which I wasn't) that I need to know to do my job, you have to tell me."

I ended up inviting myself to the staff meetings shortly thereafter.
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So, I guess it's like dating. By not answering their text messages you kind of just hope that they'll get the hint that you just aren't that into them.
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Senior management is usually somewhat opening to hear bad things about lower levels of management.

Senior management is usually not open to hear bad things about senior management, even though they may try to give the impression that they are.
I would agree with that.

I've also made several suggestions about employee benefits at multiple companies I've been at over the years that I was pleasantly surprised to see management take up. Not the kind of stuff you'd leave a job over, mind you, but positive changes nonetheless.
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In the second case, I think the sheer volume of employees quitting and getting fired got the situation onto people's radar. (Annual turnover rate was well over 100%.) . . .
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I gave honest feedback when leaving one job due to a god-awful boss (not an actuary). He was told of my feedback and said some bad and not true crap about me after I was gone. I know because a friend shared an email he sent to a handful of people. I was honest because I was trying to help my coworkers on my way out the door.

After being trashed I felt it was a mistake, however about a year later the douche-bag boss was fired. I think upper management may have known he was a douche before I gave my feedback but I'd like to think I actually did help my former coworkers.

I knew I would never want to work with/for that douche again (or even go back to that company) so I wasn't too worried about burning bridges.
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I gave honest feedback when leaving one job due to a god-awful boss (not an actuary). He was told of my feedback and said some bad and not true crap about me after I was gone. I know because a friend shared an email he sent to a handful of people. I was honest because I was trying to help my coworkers on my way out the door.

After being trashed I felt it was a mistake, however about a year later the douche-bag boss was fired. I think upper management may have known he was a douche before I gave my feedback but I'd like to think I actually did help my former coworkers.

I knew I would never want to work with/for that douche again (or even go back to that company) so I wasn't too worried about burning bridges.
I'm in a similar situation now. What was the impact of him spreading bad rumors about you? Did it actually affect anyone else's opinion of you?
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