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Old 06-22-2017, 12:12 AM
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Default How hard is it to get credentialed (associate and/or fellow) without a study program?

Say you are at a company that doesn't offer a study program. This company does not let you study at work during 9-5 even if you have some down time. In this scenario, how hard is it to get through the upper level exams to get credentialed?

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So what do they expect you to do during down time? Stare at your screen and pretend to work?
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So what do they expect you to do during down time? Stare at your screen and pretend to work?
not sure brah. maybe take a nap
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not sure brah. maybe take a nap
Well, first of all, I'd do what I can to find a job with a study program. If I were EL, I definitely wouldn't hang around there until I reached fellowship. I've seen some experienced people take jobs without exam support because they have 1-2 spring exams left, and with a year long gap between them it wouldn't be hard to study for those outside of work.

If for some reason you're geographically limited and the only employer in town happens to be a cheap company that doesn't value exams and you have no intention of moving out of there ever - then the actuarial path isn't the best decision to make, imo.
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This company does not let you study at work during 9-5 even if you have some down time.
Find a new job.

My boss actually encourages studying during downtime.
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I passed my last two exams without support. Not recommended.

Assume I made the obligatory comments around the fact that that was when I was taking exams, back when they were still difficult
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I passed my last two exams without support. Not recommended.

Assume I made the obligatory comments around the fact that that was when I was taking exams, back when they were still difficult
Was that back when there was one approved calculator, an abacus, and you liked it!?

And when you had to walk uphill both ways, Farmboy?

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I passed my first few with no study program. It was painful.

There's no reason to think about going all the way to credentialed without a program. You should get a job with exam support ASAP.
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YMMV, but it used to take me about 300 hours or so of study to have a chance at passing an exam. Company would give me around 100 or so, and I needed to carve out 200 or so from my personal life. That was hard enough. Moving that extra 100 to nights and weekend? Possible, but that pretty much eliminates any non-exam related personal life at all for 8-9 months of the year. Rough. Not impossible, but really rough.
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The employer is implicitly telling you that it feels that exams don't add value if it's not willing to support them, so what's the point of passing them in that situation?
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