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I wonder if/when a GM will be bold enough to let a top tier QB walk due to money. If one of ways to success is to have a cheap QB from the draft it seems like someone will let their franchise guy walk eventually.

I'm not counting Peyton or Brees moving teams as both had some pretty major surgery that made their returns to 100% questionable, and both teams already had a premium QB prospect in their sights.
If he's that good, they get an agreeable extension or an agreeable draft pick for him a year before FA. Only need two other interested teams to make this happen.

Another factor is whether fans will stop buying merchandise or stop paying for tickets to games if they don't re-sign him. Or if media will think their move is a dumb one. Some examples of things that run counter to the alleged goal of winning games.
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unless an owner can spend well below the salary cap, I would think winning SBs, would translate into making money - ticket sales, merchandising...

In MLB, it could be a different equation
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unless an owner can spend well below the salary cap, I would think winning SBs, would translate into making money - ticket sales, merchandising...

In MLB, it could be a different equation
They make money regardless of winning anything.
Their egos, though, are a different story.
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They make money regardless of winning anything.
yes, but they make more by winning, and they like more
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yes, but they make more by winning, and they like more
Hmm, I'd need to see the data on this.
And it would have to be a big enough blip relative to their worth. Unless it's just a contest between owners.
I mean, no NFL owner requires the net income of their team to survive on this earth.
The big money is in selling the team.
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Hmm, I'd need to see the data on this.
And it would have to be a big enough blip relative to their worth. Unless it's just a contest between owners.
I mean, no NFL owner requires the net income of their team to survive on this earth.
The big money is in selling the team.
then we came full circle on why does the QB need $40m instead of $30m

and it can't be that when the m becomes a b, they stop caring
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I am.
You seem to be the one who thinks crazy things like "owners do everything they can to win Super Bowls."
They like making money, and they like the figurative (and literal) hand jobs they get from strangers.
I'm saying teams are signing QBs for what they need to sign them.
You seem to be saying they can just sign them for less...because...they like to make money.

I get there are factors other than maximizing win chance that keep players on teams...but I dispute that you are all of the sudden going to get a QB that other teams are willing to pay $35m/yr to sign for $20m/yr by pinky swearing to sign a LT.
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then we came full circle on why does the QB need $40m instead of $30m

and it can't be that when the m becomes a b, they stop caring
They care how their extremely public business (paying QB's) makes them look.
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I'm saying teams are signing QBs for what they need to sign them.
You seem to be saying they can just sign them for less...because...they like to make money.

I get there are factors other than maximizing win chance that keep players on teams...but I dispute that you are all of the sudden going to get a QB that other teams are willing to pay $35m/yr to sign for $20m/yr by pinky swearing to sign a LT.
I agree that it would be difficult to sign a new QB for lower than what another team will offer.
Already having that elite LT might change things. Might actually be a draw for some QBs. (Smart ones, thinking about their future, I mean.)

Getting lucky by drafting an elite QB who will not soak you in the future is pretty tough to do. I'm thinking that overpaying for a QB of any level is a given. Elite for $35M or a mediocre one for $20M.
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AUSTIN, Texas -- Former NFL and Texas running back Cedric Benson, one of the most prolific rushers in NCAA and University of Texas history, has died in a motorcycle accident in Texas. He was 36.

Benson's attorney, Sam Bassett, told NFL.com that Benson was killed in a motorcycle accident Saturday night.

Bassett issued the following statement on Benson's passing:

"Cedric was not just a client, he was my friend. He was immensely talented and fierce on the football field yet most have no idea the difficulties he overcame to achieve what he did. Though imperfect in some respects, once Cedric was your friend you understood how kind, sensitive and loyal he was as a man. He was like a younger brother or nephew to me. I will miss him very much."

One of the top high school recruits in the country out of Midland, Texas, Benson was a key player in the Longhorns' resurgence under former coach Mack Brown. Benson played at Texas from 2001-2004. He won the Doak Walker award given to the nation's top running back in 2004.

Benson was drafted No. 4 overall by the Chicago Bears in 2005. He also played for the Cincinnati Bengals and Green Bay Packers.
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