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I'd say, not really. It's not anticipated. I realize that there is a cost, but I would hope the benefits of the CERA in terms of employment opportunities for members, and increasing stakeholder value for employers, should greatly exceed the cost of the dues.

Not to mention the increase in coolness of adding 4 more letters after your name
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7 more letters, we get ASA too.
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I'd say, not really. It's not anticipated. I realize that there is a cost, but I would hope the benefits of the CERA in terms of employment opportunities for members, and increasing stakeholder value for employers, should greatly exceed the cost of the dues.
As usual, I agree with Mike. If we discounted due for CAS members, then what about AAA members, CCA members, CIA members, etc. Where do you stop? And should they reduce their dues?

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so instead of having xxx, ASA, CERA on a business card, one really only needs xxx, CERA? since all CERAs are ASAs?
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so instead of having xxx, ASA, CERA on a business card, one really only needs xxx, CERA? since all CERAs are ASAs?
Unless they are FSAs.
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You could put ASA, CERA if you so desired, but it is a bit redundant. There may be cases where using both would be meaningful but I'm not sure I can think of any. Actually I can. If you are in a company with an actuarial study program, and they reimburse you for actuarial exams, or for gaining your ASA, you might need to make the point that studying for and earning your CERA also means studying for and qualifying as an ASA.

When the CERA credential is fully established (rememer it's only been a year), then employers and everyone will know that CERA implies ASA.
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so instead of having xxx, ASA, CERA on a business card, one really only needs xxx, CERA? since all CERAs are ASAs?
I'm new here, so go easy on me if I mess this up. But this prompted me out of lurkerdom.

I don't it's true that all CERAs are ASAs. I'm pretty sure the CERA curriculum does not require you to take the FAP modules, so I think you could get your CERA before (or without) getting your ASA. Because of that, it makes sense to say xxx, ASA, CERA. Of course that's ignoring whether it makes sense to take an FSA exam before doing the FAP modules.
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I don't it's true that all CERAs are ASAs. I'm pretty sure the CERA curriculum does not require you to take the FAP modules, so I think you could get your CERA before (or without) getting your ASA. Because of that, it makes sense to say xxx, ASA, CERA. Of course that's ignoring whether it makes sense to take an FSA exam before doing the FAP modules.
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This is a confusing topic, to lots of people.

Anyone who earns the CERA simultaneously becomes an ASA, too. They can put "CERA, ASA" after their name, even though they may not have Exam MLC or the FAP. All ASAs obviously are not CERAs. And some FSAs are CERAs, too, though most are not. Some became CERAs first; others became FSAs first. All FSAs are ASAs, but that's kind of meaningless.

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bruce-when do venn diagrams get added back to the exam process?
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