Actuarial Outpost
 
Go Back   Actuarial Outpost > Actuarial Discussion Forum > Careers - Employment
FlashChat Actuarial Discussion Preliminary Exams CAS/SOA Exams Cyberchat Around the World Suggestions

DW Simpson
Actuarial Jobs

Visit our site for the most up to date jobs for actuaries.

Actuarial Salary Surveys
Property & Casualty, Health, Life, Pension and Non-Tradtional Jobs.

Actuarial Meeting Schedule
Browse this year's meetings and which recruiters will attend.

Contact DW Simpson
Have a question?
Let's talk.
You'll be glad you did.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-19-2018, 01:59 PM
JoJo JoJo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,751
Default Excerpt from Actuary Occupational Abstract (1958)

I'm cleaning out my company's paper files and came upon this gem - Actual section from this pamphlet by the D.O.T., February 1958

"Women

Women rarely become actuaries. They may become assistants to actuaries and are often actuarial clerks. Only about 3 per cent of all professional actuaries are female. This seems mainly due to the traditional prejudice toward women in these jobs: although, the trend seems somewhat better today. The next decade will probably provide more opportunities for qualified female actuaries than ever before. The women, however, must be willing to put in the time and effort needed over a period of years to pass the actuarial examinations."
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-21-2018, 12:14 PM
Harbinger Harbinger is offline
Notes Contributor
CAS
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,373
Default

Times certainly have changed. Someone would be fired today for putting those comments in print.
__________________
har·bin·ger (här'bin-jer): One that indicates or foreshadows what is to come; a forerunner.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-21-2018, 12:35 PM
KernelMustard's Avatar
KernelMustard KernelMustard is offline
Member
SOA
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 637
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post
Times certainly have changed. Someone would be fired today for putting those comments in print.
It's simply stating facts until the last sentence. Woof, how did you old farts used to (some still) think like this?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-21-2018, 01:02 PM
Dr T Non-Fan Dr T Non-Fan is offline
Member
SOA AAA
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Just outside of Nowhere
Posts: 92,727
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KernelMustard View Post
It's simply stating facts until the last sentence. Woof, how did you old farts used to (some still) think like this?
Not sure whom you're asking this. Even a 22-year old in 1959 would be 81 today.

Even the last statement is true, even today, though for everybody, not just women.
__________________
"Facebook is a toilet." -- LWTwJO
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-21-2018, 01:15 PM
ElDucky's Avatar
ElDucky ElDucky is offline
Free Mason
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In a van, down by the river
Studying for Let me worry about blank
Favorite beer: Trappistes Rochefort 8
Posts: 41,892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post
Times certainly have changed. Someone would be fired today for putting those comments in print.
Well yes, if you stated those today you could be fired, because they are inaccurate. There is nothing prejudiced in what was written though.
__________________
I live near the cows.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-21-2018, 01:40 PM
CSPAN CSPAN is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 136
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KernelMustard View Post
It's simply stating facts until the last sentence. Woof, how did you old farts used to (some still) think like this?
The last sentence is also a fact.

It's your own personal bias which makes you read the sentence as if it's disparaging toward women. I read it simply as a clarifying fact that people, and women, don't become actuaries by simply choosing so. There is an exam process to complete.

You likely have some internal bias that women are less capable or a bias that the writer thought of women as being less capable.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-21-2018, 02:11 PM
Locrian Locrian is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,740
Default

It definitely feels to me that the last sentence is inappropriate, mostly because of the word "however".

The fact that it is correct is unimportant. For instance, if in a job description I wrote "People with dark hair will be considered for this job, however they must work hard", the statement is perfectly true, but still completely inappropriate. The very inclusion of that requirement suggests that there may be an assumption otherwise.

I'd adjust that opinion if a similar statement is addressed specifically to men, with the same wording (except for the obvious change of sex).

I feel pretty confident it doesn't exist.
__________________
Spoiler:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
The most important thing I have learned from the career forum is that the gurus in this field and keepers of supreme knowledge regarding all matters pertaining to the actuarial profession are unlettered actuarial students with < 5 years of experience.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-21-2018, 02:14 PM
yoyo's Avatar
yoyo yoyo is offline
Member
CAS
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 22,217
Default

le sigh
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-21-2018, 02:15 PM
yoyo's Avatar
yoyo yoyo is offline
Member
CAS
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 22,217
Default

besides, passing exams isn't required. just ask jas
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-21-2018, 02:39 PM
JMO's Avatar
JMO JMO is offline
Carol Marler
Non-Actuary
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Back home again in Indiana
Studying for Nothing actuarial.
Posts: 37,445
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan View Post
Even the last statement is true, even today, though for everybody, not just women.
__________________
Carol Marler, "Just My Opinion"

Pluto is no longer a planet and I am no longer an actuary. Please take my opinions as non-actuarial.


My latest favorite quotes, updated Apr 5, 2018.

Spoiler:
I should keep these four permanently.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekrap View Post
JMO is right
Quote:
Originally Posted by campbell View Post
I agree with JMO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Westley View Post
And def agree w/ JMO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MG View Post
This. And everything else JMO wrote.
And this all purpose permanent quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr T Non-Fan View Post
Yup, it is always someone else's fault.
MORE:
All purpose response for careers forum:
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorNo View Post
Depends upon the employer and the situation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sredni Vashtar View Post
I feel like ERM is 90% buzzwords, and that the underlying agenda is to make sure at least one of your Corporate Officers is not dumb.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
*PLEASE NOTE: Posts are not checked for accuracy, and do not
represent the views of the Actuarial Outpost or its sponsors.
Page generated in 0.37862 seconds with 11 queries