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Old 02-19-2019, 11:16 AM
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What amazed me is how those mid-80s and early 90s Honda got 45+ MPG but now you have to get a hybrid to hit that.

Yes, I had a 78hp civic that got 40mpg on the highway with a/c off. I presume it was lighter because it didn't have a lot of the safety equipment that is standard today.
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:28 AM
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What amazed me is how those mid-80s and early 90s Honda got 45+ MPG but now you have to get a hybrid to hit that.
Those cars were smaller than the modern equivalent. Plus new cars have more safety features - airbags aren't that heavy but a half-dozen of them adds up. So cars got a lot heavier, that trend is reversing a bit lately as people have been prioritizing mpg more and more, or that's my opinion at least.

If you look at the new Civic, the base 2.0 does 38mpg highway, but if you step up to the 1.5 turbo, you get more power, and 42mpg highway on the EX/EXL, for some reason the Touring 1.5 turbo only gets 38mpg and I'm not sure why.

Compared to a 1995 Civic you've got way more hp, a bigger car, tons of added features, and 42mpg highway.
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Yeah, a part of it may be that I'm just that sucker that goes to dealer for maintenance, scared of the whole "If you go elsewhere and they screw something up it can invalidate your warranty" wording. Maybe should reconsider, dunno. Local dealer's service department is a clown show, every time.

Part of it is that Fiats have improved metrics recently I think, and Jaguar was significantly better under Ford, and not sure how they concluded that the new ones should be bad - I can't imagine it's based purely on rep, but not sure what else goes into that, was hoping somebody here might have more insight. Jag E-Pace was brand new in 2017, Stelvio in 2018, so obviously not based on long-term results for actual vehicles.
I see the F-Pace at #1 on CR.
In LEAST reliability.
(Not exactly what you were looking at, but one letter off, so probably the same in reliability.)
There's an Alfa on there, too, and you know what they say: Alfa's don't fall far from the tree.

You know what ISN'T on the top ten least reliable? Hondas and Toyotas.
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thats cause at toyota in order to change the door handle it has to go through the CEO first. They have old car models that dont change often and when they do its slow and via an authoritarian network. You also have to ask what is the real difference in "numbers of problems" and "severity" between top and low rankers on modern cars. I won the lemon lottery but refused to be biased.
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Probably why Toyota seems a bit more boring than Honda. The styling is rather conservative and few sporty models (IIRC). Lexus tried really hard to be edgy on the IS250 and let the ES line be the old man car. Don't think it worked.

Honda/Acura appeals to me more. Zippy little turbo in a light, tossable civic.
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Probably why Toyota seems a bit more boring than Honda. The styling is rather conservative and few sporty models (IIRC). Lexus tried really hard to be edgy on the IS250 and let the ES line be the old man car. Don't think it worked.

Honda/Acura appeals to me more. Zippy little turbo in a light, tossable civic.
I test drove a Toyota, a Mazda, and a Subaru along with the Civic. The Toyota equivalent was dullsville. I very much value reliability, but couldn't bring myself to buy something that boring.
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I like boring cars that don't do unexpected things, but even I find Toyotas dull to drive.
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I thought you liked fancy, ultra-modern cars that break down a lot.
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Nope, I like functional cars.
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Nope, I like functional cars.
That break down a lot?


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