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Old 01-31-2018, 01:04 PM
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But yes, I agree, if you can't see a parked firetruck how in the world are you going to solve trolley problems lol...
The trolley car problem is a red herring, IMO.
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Things that the world needs to change for driverless cars to thrive:
1) No more white trucks... too similar to sky
2) Every existing black car must be repainted
3) Convince Mother Nature to produce more colorful snow. (Alternately, ignore Bob Barker and deliberately increase the pet population to the point that we can ensure all snow is yellow within minutes of falling to the ground.)


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I know this has been discussed before, but aren't AVs in their current state better drivers than most humans out there, or at least close to the same level?

I may not have ever mistaken the color of a car or snow while driving, but I've certainly been very distracted and crashed my vehicle before.
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I know this has been discussed before, but aren't AVs in their current state better drivers than most humans out there, or at least close to the same level?
That is the claim. But any failure is an attention getter, and we all remember the stories that twig referenced in that recent post. Actually, I'm not convinced they are "better" since they are still not being driven in fully autonomous mode in the real world. Either they rely on a human driver, or their test tracks are only a simple model of actual driving experience.
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It has happened to a lot of people. Ever since vehicles went "horseless" they have been running into things that no horse would have failed to avoid.
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I'd like to see test results of an AV on snow-packed roads with considerable elevation changes.
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I know this has been discussed before, but aren't AVs in their current state better drivers than most humans out there, or at least close to the same level?
In their current state? I don't think so. I'm not even sure that data exists to support or contradict this claim given that most are either relying on a human backup or are only being used in an extremely limited set of circumstances.

In 100 years? Almost certainly.

In 2 years? I doubt it.


ETA: As for the IFYP bit... there was an article posted here earlier this month about how some company is developing a new kind of black paint that will be easier for AVs to see. In order for this to be an economically viable product that would necessarily imply that AVs do not adequately detect existing black cars. Of course it's possible that the manufacturer of this paint is completely off his/her rocker.
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It has happened to a lot of people. Ever since vehicles went "horseless" they have been running into things that no horse would have failed to avoid.
On the flip side, people are less likely to be spooked by lighting/thunder or some other sudden loud noise / bright flash of light and start driving recklessly as a result.

Trade-offs everywhere.
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It would be funny if it wasn't sad. I hope no one was hurt.

So far Tesla has missed a white 18-wheeler and a firetruck. Seems like it has problems with large stationary objects in general. Do they not have some sort of radar / sonar that can detect these things?

That actually seems like a much simpler problem to solve than some of the others that have been presented in this thread. But the fact that it obviously isn't solved yet indicates that Tesla is still pretty far away from a true AV.
looks like tesla's got some serious design issues. i'd put my bets on google
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Ever since vehicles went "horseless" they have been running into things that no horse would have failed to avoid.
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It has happened to a lot of people. Ever since vehicles went "horseless" they have been running into things that no horse would have failed to avoid.
Perhaps attach a horse to the vehicle to intervene so the driver does not have to? You get all the benefits of automated vehicle technology and horses, combined into one.
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