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Old 07-09-2018, 09:29 AM
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I like how inter-organization communication depends on the other organizations getting with the program, rather than the SOA actually demonstrating that its mission is cooperation. There are some clear steps SOA could take to show that, but I don't see any of them mentioned by any of the candidates here.

None of them will get my vote.
And none would get your vote even if they did answer in your desired way, Ms. CAS.
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And none would get your vote even if they did answer in your desired way, Ms. CAS.
That could be 'Ms free-FSA' for all you know Ms Campbell.


But it is simultaneously true that they are all getting my vote.
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That could be 'Ms free-FSA' for all you know Ms Campbell.


But it is simultaneously true that they are all getting my vote.
Ah, good point.

I do kind of wonder how many people took the "free" deal.
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I like how inter-organization communication depends on the other organizations getting with the program, rather than the SOA actually demonstrating that its mission is cooperation. There are some clear steps SOA could take to show that, but I don't see any of them mentioned by any of the candidates here....
Hi Marcie,

Thanks for weighing in. A couple of years ago I was talking to an FCAS colleague about CAS/SOA relations, and she said in total apparent seriousness, "The SOA is a terrorist organization."

While the SOA itself (and a few of its past leaders) definitely had the our-way-or-the-highway attitude you describe, most SOA members don’t feel that way. Most of us care more about the actuarial profession than any particular organization. If the SOA leadership gets on board with that way of looking at it, we have a basis for collaborating with other actuarial organizations; all actuarial organizations should agree that what really matters is the well being of the profession. So if the CAS, CCA, CIA, AAA, etc., can do something to support actuaries and promote the profession better than the SOA could do it, we should support them in those specializations, not compete with them.

If you have any specific ideas about the steps the SOA should take, I’m all ears.

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The subject of organizational relationships is of great concern to this community, and rightly so.

All of us want co-operation, and many of us want NO competition.

The CAS has for decades specialized in P&C. The SOA recently introduced P&C to complete its globally-oriented curriculum. This has created competition where none existed. While it is true that this created some friction, there has also been the positive impact that one would expect from competition: the CAS has stepped up its game. This rivalry will continue, but it is no longer a source of friction. As an example, currently, the SOA, CAS and AAA are jointly engaged in a process to create a means by which the NAIC can objectively evaluate the respective P&C education programs. It took us a while to get to the point where this would be possible. So there is hope.

Similarly, on the global stage, we compete for students with the IFoA. At the same time, we partner with the IFoA on the new CAA designation, which was their creation.

So, relationships can and some do have elements of BOTH competition and co-operation.

This should not seem strange. Every Sunday in the pro football season, players "beat each others' brains out". But then they collaborate when it comes to the collective bargaining agreement. Same for the owners.

From time to time, there may be unexpected hiccups, such as when conflicting editorial policies became an issue for the Joint SOA/Academy Pension Committee. But we can work things out if we respect each other's principles and perspectives, as we did on that occasion.

Here's something you might ponder: what if the CAS decided to diversify and add a Health track?

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"Here's something you might ponder: what if the CAS decided to diversify and add a Health track?"
That might be a good idea. If only there were some way to jointly sponsor all the exams leading to this whatever-you-call-it designation.


ETA -ps - I am no longer an FSA, so I have no vote.
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Wasn't Serota, or someone in his firm, involved in the Timothy Sharpe dispute? Somehow that name looks really familiar, but I can't find anything to say yes or no.
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Well, I guess I have just been outed! Yes, I did submit a complaint against Mr. Sharpe, but I did not respond to any thread on the Actuarial Outpost related to the ensuing law suit, much though I was sorely tempted to do so. Mr. Sharpe, by the way, is not credentialed by the Society of Actuaries.
I have seen, after six years of participation on the ASB Pension Committee, that there is a wide spectrum of competency among people who call themselves actuaries. Generally speaking, because there are definite exceptions, those with the SOA credential appear to me to be better equipped to handle the issues facing an actuary in the consulting sphere than those who do not have the credential. As an SOA Board Member, I want to enhance the access of current members to continue learning new skills as they develop. Continuing education is not enough if it is just an opportunity to leave the office for a few days, snooze during sessions and schmooze during cocktail receptions. The profession is absolutely under attack, especially when actuarial science is replaced by actuarial alchemy in the retirement sphere. It is imperative that my colleagues working for insurance companies are aware that their reputation is in jeopardy as long as the public at large cannot distinguish between a competent life actuary and a not-so-competent pension actuary. We are all thrown in the same bucket together, as far as the world outside is concerned.
I have volunteered for two Academy Committees for the past nine years and understand how they function. I want to bring that knowledge to the Board of the Society so that together, we can all defend the profession more effectively.
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I've already mentioned my endorsement of Martin Snow, but here are the three I've voted for:

Ronald L. Klein, FSA, MAAA
Roger Loomis, FSA, MAAA
Martin Snow, FSA, MAAA
I have just received an email from Martin Snow, telling me has 434 votes so far. He (or any of the others) needs to get 601 to get on the board ballot.

SOA voting members -- if you haven't yet done the petition vote, please do so.
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