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Old 07-01-2018, 05:36 PM
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Sometimes I can't afford that amount of time, sometimes I can't afford not to. Not saying that amount of time is available for a significant chunk of emails, but I probably have a handful of emails per year that I send that really, really matter for what I'm trying to do. If it takes 10 minutes or 10 days to get that email right, it's just what has to happen.

In general, when people tell me that "a lot" of anything is "pretty important", my first thought is that I don't think they know what the word "important" means. Because 90% of anything is garbage.
This is what I was getting at.

And when I say "half a day", I mean write it and request feedback, put it aside for half a day, proofread it, and send.


I do believe speaking and writing go in parallel. They both fall under the communication bucket of the "build your brand" umbrella. If you do one, you should do the other imo.
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Going from state government to corporate required me to change my communication style significantly. I'm back in government now. There were some things that I had to learn the hard way:

1. Corporate managers hate ambiguity. No matter how uncertain your statistical results may be or how poor the data collection methods are, managers want everything to have a very definite answer. If you word something in a document in such a way that does not sound confident and definite, your credibility will be questioned.

2. Corporate managers hate an excess of detail. Here's the thing about government versus corporate: whenever you're doing any sort of data analysis from the perspective of government, you essentially are expected to report the details ad nauseam so that anyone who is interested in reproducing your work can mostly understand how to do it without too much having to dig around. This will not fly in corporate.

3. Corporate managers want something that they can interact with when it comes to data, because data is hard to understand. If you're trying to present data to others, expect some mix of PivotTables, Power BI, Tableau, and D3.js - all essentially useless for gathering any sort of insight, but for most people, these are all data displays that managers can interact with and manipulate on their own to some extent.
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Going from state government to corporate required me to change my communication style significantly. I'm back in government now. There were some things that I had to learn the hard way:

1. Corporate managers hate ambiguity. No matter how uncertain your statistical results may be or how poor the data collection methods are, managers want everything to have a very definite answer. If you word something in a document in such a way that does not sound confident and definite, your credibility will be questioned.

2. Corporate managers hate an excess of detail. Here's the thing about government versus corporate: whenever you're doing any sort of data analysis from the perspective of government, you essentially are expected to report the details ad nauseam so that anyone who is interested in reproducing your work can mostly understand how to do it without too much having to dig around. This will not fly in corporate.

3. Corporate managers want something that they can interact with when it comes to data, because data is hard to understand. If you're trying to present data to others, expect some mix of PivotTables, Power BI, Tableau, and D3.js - all essentially useless for gathering any sort of insight, but for most people, these are all data displays that managers can interact with and manipulate on their own to some extent.
Are you phrasing 2 and 3 as negatives?
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Are you phrasing 2 and 3 as negatives?
3 definitely, but 2, no. I will not elaborate as to why.
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3 definitely, but 2, no. I will not elaborate as to why.
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As far as business writing is concerned, here is the image that comes to mind when the adjective "elegant" is the target:

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Going from state government to corporate required me to change my communication style significantly. I'm back in government now. There were some things that I had to learn the hard way:

1. Corporate managers hate ambiguity. No matter how uncertain your statistical results may be or how poor the data collection methods are, managers want everything to have a very definite answer. If you word something in a document in such a way that does not sound confident and definite, your credibility will be questioned.

2. Corporate managers hate an excess of detail. Here's the thing about government versus corporate: whenever you're doing any sort of data analysis from the perspective of government, you essentially are expected to report the details ad nauseam so that anyone who is interested in reproducing your work can mostly understand how to do it without too much having to dig around. This will not fly in corporate.

3. Corporate managers want something that they can interact with when it comes to data, because data is hard to understand. If you're trying to present data to others, expect some mix of PivotTables, Power BI, Tableau, and D3.js - all essentially useless for gathering any sort of insight, but for most people, these are all data displays that managers can interact with and manipulate on their own to some extent.
You must interact with a very different group of people in government than I do.
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You must interact with a very different group of people in government than I do.
He's in one of the departments where pages produced is a major performance metric, not one of the ones where longest line is the thing to shoot for.
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Ask someone to edit an important email you wrote for clarity. Their comments can be enlightening as to blind spots you might have.
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If your goal is to write or speak better, my recommendation is to read and watch high quality fiction, where wittiness is at more of a premium. Periodicals are also pretty good. Business books and statistical tomes are great for learning the technical side of things, but even the better written things I've read in that universe tend to have stilted writing styles at times. This is no disrespect to business communication at all; people building and maintaining technical knowledge just don't have as much time to hone their craft as professional writers.

Obviously, there is a specific format to business communication that needs to be adhered to, but it's a lot easier to fit into that style if you have more general linguistic tools to start with.
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