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Old 12-31-2014, 12:49 PM
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this makes me angry.

what a more worthless way to squander any professional respect in politics that we've gained.

the phrase cannot be construed as directly misleading. that is not to say freedman did not know what he was doing. the phrase was meant to make the CAS and AAA folks angry.

this is foolishness and not condoned by the large portion SOA actuaries.
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If one wanted to switch from CAS work to SOA work, or vise versa, then the exams would need to be done.
Not really. Mary Frances is our local resident expert on qualifications, but IIRC no exams need to be taken—See section 2.1 of the USQS. I'm oversimplifying, but an FCAS would really only need 1 year of supervision by someone eligible to issue SoA SAO's (pun intended) in order to start issuing his or her own in that particular SoA track. An ACAS would need three such years of supervision. No exams would need to be taken.
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the phrase was meant to make the CAS and AAA folks angry.
That's a stretch.

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this is foolishness and not condoned by the large portion SOA actuaries.
If anything, I'm willing to bet Freedman filed the lawsuit to make the issue public and reveal how foolish the whole thing is. It makes the SoA look like a victim of a ridiculous complaint system by actuaries from smaller societies with nothing better to do than harass people over email language.
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If this is an accurate description of the lawsuit's claim...

Mr. Freedman’s lawsuit challenges the fundamental integrity and operation of the ABCD.

That's quite a position for a board member of one of the actuarial organizations that agreed to Joint Disciplinary Proceedings under the ABCD to take.
That's not the lawsuit's claim, that's the AAA's reaction to being sued. It's not unreasonable to argue that the integrity of a disciplinary committee is weakened if a lawsuit can be stop them from considering the possibility of discipline.
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That's a stretch.
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If you disagree, you should post why.
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because anytime i do you never seem to follow. i've noticed the trend with others, too.
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because anytime i do you never seem to follow. i've noticed the trend with others, too.
Then I dismiss your criticism.
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The SoA sends out these "unethical" mass emails about once a week at most. Probably less imo
You don't get it.

I retail services to insurers IRL. These services are used by actuaries.

I use my mailing list and do an email blast that's OK. Worst case, it's annoying.

I scrape the CAS's website and use their membership list to start doing email blasts, that's considered unethical by many. If you think doing that stuff is fine (as it appears the former president of the SOA does) then I'd say you're in conflict with what most people perceive of as being 'wrong'. And thus, enter ABCD.
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