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Old 06-07-2018, 11:18 AM
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So, I did tons of research, and decided to go with Crashplan, and they promptly went out of the consumer business, and are now pretty pricey for my needs. So I'm shopping again.
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So, it looks like my choices are backblaze, which is cheap, easy, and fast, but doesn't offer robust versioning. Or crash plan small business, which costs twice as much and does offer robust versioning.

I don't trust myself to swap disks regularly. That's a fine plan, but only if you execute on it. And my data is reasonably fast. And in the unlikely event I lose everything, I can probably wait a while to get my large files back.
Time machine gives you versioning. Why do you need versioning for the off-site backup?

I've never loved Time Machine's versioning so I use dropbox for my current working files. Old stuff can be archived off dropbox if I run low on space.
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Time machine gives you versioning. Why do you need versioning for the off-site backup?
If the local backup is corrupted by malware, hardware malfunction or anything else, corrupted files could get copied to the off-site backup. So if the off-site backup doesn't let you go back to a prior version, you're screwed.
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If the local backup is corrupted by malware, hardware malfunction or anything else, corrupted files could get copied to the off-site backup. So if the off-site backup doesn't let you go back to a prior version, you're screwed.
Yup. I'm specifically concerned with ransomware, but a hardware malfunction could have the same effect. So I'm thinking, 30 day is probably long enough to notice ransomware... But I'd prefer a longer window.
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In that case keep all your working files on dropbox.
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uh, did I mention that I have something like 2Tb of data -- photos, music, and email back to the 90s. Dropbox is one of the options I've considered, but it's not really set up to use that way.
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If you have 2 TB of data, Backblaze seems like the obvious choice since there is no storage limit. If you think you are at high risk for ransomware and believe that it could infect your backups, I would just save off some local external disks containing your photos and music. I'm guessing that data doesn't change often.

Ransomware/malware risk is independent from the kinds of risks offsite backups protect against. An offsite backup protects against local losses: hardware failure, theft, toddlers, flood, fire, etc. Ransomware risk comes from outside your local environment. Although it would make a good Hollywood script, it's not likely that you'll get hit with ransomware and then have your house immediately flood.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:20 AM
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I don't think I'm at especially high risk of ransomware, but it's out there. I think it's at least as likely as a house fire -- although I agree that the risk of external damage and local damage are uncorrelated and both quite low, so yeah, I probably ought to just make an off-line backup once or twice a year.

Backblaze and CrashPlan both have unlimited storage in the tier I'd be buying. So that's not a distinguishing point. I think the real difference is that Backblaze is geared towards individuals, is simpler, costs half as much, and only stores versions for a month. Whereas Crashplan is geared towards businesses, has more options, costs twice as much, but has robust versioning.

Robust versioning does protect you from ransomware and creeping hardware problems. I have a friend at Carbonite who did a lot of work to streamline their alert-and-recover-data processing for customers who are affected. Interestingly, their backup scheme didn't originally protect from this, but very minor changes in how they version did. And it's super-obvious to the back-up company that someone has been affected (if they look) because ALMOST EVERY FILE CHANGES and suddenly they generate a ton of traffic to write out the new files. (Also interesting, when these things first showed up, Carbonite had an internal debate as to whether it was even something they ought to care about. But since it wasn't a lot of extra work for them to do it, and it was obviously vastly valuable to their customers, they made the right choice.)
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I'll have to take a closer look at Backblaze when my Crashplan subscription comes up for renewal.

(The sole reason I stayed with Crashplan when they axed their personal plans was inertia -- I didn't want to have to do a lot of reconfiguration and re-upload 1.5TB of data. But there have been a couple of occasions where being able to recover a file deleted months ago has come in handy....)

One additional idea I considered when Crashplan changed was moving to a roll-your-own solution. There are a few utilities out there that permit you to do backups to Amazon cloud storage. The pricing is (I think) competitive if you're just doing backup, and you theoretically control the encryption...but Amazon cloud pricing is a bit complex when you initially start looking at it, and I therefore didn't go too far down the path of exploring considerations like versioning.

Roll-your-own-with-Amazon is not a path I'll probably pursue due to the steep learning curve, unless/until I become more paranoid about security. (I'm not too concerned if someone hacks my backups and looks through old pictures or software install files. More sensitive files are encrypted independently of backup utility.)

I'll also note that I do use Dropbox as well. My backup/file sharing structure essentially looks something like this:

* "Working copies" of day-to-day files for the household live on hard drives of the household computers
* Dropbox is used to synchronize those files among the PCs, and for file-versioning.
* Long-term file archives, and copies of software install files are kept on a NAS
* PCs and Android devices back up certain files to the NAS nightly
* One PC backs up its copy of the Dropbox archive and the NAS to Crashplan.

This almost certainly could be done more simply...but it was an evolutionary process, and I haven't had the desire to do the "nuke it all and start over".

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I'll have to take a closer look at Blackblaze when my Crashplan subscription comes up for renewal.

(The sole reason I stayed with Crashplan when they axed their personal plans was inertia -- I didn't want to have to do a lot of reconfiguration and re-upload 1.5TB of data. But there have been a couple of occasions where being able to recover a file deleted months ago has come in handy....)
I only used it once but it really saved my ass that time.

For those that use it, is it easy to go find an recover a single file from your Blackblaze backup?
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