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Old 12-07-2017, 05:21 PM
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Agreed. It's a main reason I chose the actuarial profession.
From your posting, it's not clear that you did choose the actuarial profession. I'll throw my weight behind "get into an actuarial job now" if you want to be taken seriously. You've proven something with the exams. But frankly, working in an actuarial group, passing exams, but not as an actuary raises questions for me as a hiring manager. Is your company just terrible at evaluating talent? Or were they willing to throw you a bone (initially just study time apparently) out of fairness to that later superstar in underwriting or claims who will be an internal career changer? Why aren't you in their actuarial rotation? This is what I'm asking when I see your resume.

Your foot isn't in the door. Your whole leg is in the door and somehow the rest of you hasn't made it through.

You need to get into an actuarial job, and soon.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:23 PM
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How long have you been there and how many exams did you pass during that time? Once you hit the one-year mark and had a couple of exams, you should have been trying to post out.

And I mean it's too late now, but the time to start looking for the next job isn't when you've pushed your exams even further ahead of your experience.

Good luck.
I passed exam C before the first day, exam MLC about half a year ago, and now every module except FA. I've only been working here for a year and 2 months. I highly doubt that 2 months will make a world of difference, especially since I have been trying to "post out" for the past month.

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Should have moved on a long, long time ago. Definitely a mistake to wait any longer.
Lol. How long do you think i've been working in this role?

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All i was asking was if i deserve the Exam C compensation. I already know I need a new job, you all don't have to keep repeating it.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:03 PM
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"Deservin's got nothin' to do with it."

Based on post #1, you were not in any program when you passed that exam. So, you don't get the raise. By the guidelines, you get raises for exams passed while in the program.

Now, should your base pay have been adjusted for it? Maybe. But it wasn't.
Maybe there is some rule or guideline, written or unwritten, that states that starting salary will be adjusted based on exams passed between offer-accepted and start date.

Someone should have asked for that when before he or she accepted. Water under the bridge, though. Need a solution for now.

So, what you need to ask for (from your boss, or perhaps your boss's boss) is compensation commensurate with someone who has passed your number of exams and has your number of years of experience.
Or start looking around.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:29 PM
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They're just messing with you.

On these forums, the solution to every problem is "switch jobs. get paid".


To answer your question is "yes. you should get paid for C".
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All i was asking was if i deserve the Exam C compensation. I already know I need a new job, you all don't have to keep repeating it.
Fair enough. Kind of like getting food poisoning at a restaurant, and wondering whether you should grab some mints on the way out.

You're going to leave this job soon (right? right?) So why do you care about a raise that's going to last only a few more paychecks? Seems like a good way to burn bridges to make a stink about getting your just desserts, then up and leave.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:34 PM
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Fair enough. Kind of like getting food poisoning at a restaurant, and wondering whether you should grab some mints on the way out.

You're going to leave this job soon (right? right?) So why do you care about a raise that's going to last only a few more paychecks? Seems like a good way to burn bridges to make a stink about getting your just desserts, then up and leave.
If casually mentioning it in one email is making a stink, then people are too sensitive imo.
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"Deservin's got nothin' to do with it."

Based on post #1, you were not in any program when you passed that exam. So, you don't get the raise. By the guidelines, you get raises for exams passed while in the program.

Now, should your base pay have been adjusted for it? Maybe. But it wasn't.
Maybe there is some rule or guideline, written or unwritten, that states that starting salary will be adjusted based on exams passed between offer-accepted and start date.

Someone should have asked for that when before he or she accepted. Water under the bridge, though. Need a solution for now.

So, what you need to ask for (from your boss, or perhaps your boss's boss) is compensation commensurate with someone who has passed your number of exams and has your number of years of experience.
Or start looking around.
Different companies are different. At my former employer, any person in the company could theoretically take an actuarial exam and would be entitled to the raise, though this was not widely known. Just not study time. I knew a programmer who debated taking the exams for that reason.
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After a year on my first job, my boss told me that since I have a Masters Degree, here's a another 10% to get me up to speed with the "schedule."

This anecdote doesn't help the OP, though.
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If casually mentioning it in one email is making a stink, then people are too sensitive imo.
There is no such thing as casually mentioning a raise.

If your boss takes it seriously, it will be at the very least a minor inconvenience and a minor unplanned expense in his/her budget to process your raise in the system. If your expense approval process sucks, YMMV.

I think you should never feel uncomfortable asking for something that your company has promised you. You should never feel uncomfortable asking for a raise that you think you deserve.

But in this case, I think you recognize that you're on the outskirts of the program and that the company probably hasn't promised you a raise. And again, if you're truly on your way out, that's not the time to be asking for favors. Unless you're just doing it out of principle, which would do its job. They will probably clarify the policy because of your question. If you leave, that clarification is more likely to be something like "raises for exam progress for candidates not in the program are fully at the discretion of the manager, and are not governed by this schedule".
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:50 AM
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There is no such thing as casually mentioning a raise.

If your boss takes it seriously, it will be at the very least a minor inconvenience and a minor unplanned expense in his/her budget to process your raise in the system. If your expense approval process sucks, YMMV.

I think you should never feel uncomfortable asking for something that your company has promised you. You should never feel uncomfortable asking for a raise that you think you deserve.

But in this case, I think you recognize that you're on the outskirts of the program and that the company probably hasn't promised you a raise. And again, if you're truly on your way out, that's not the time to be asking for favors. Unless you're just doing it out of principle, which would do its job. They will probably clarify the policy because of your question. If you leave, that clarification is more likely to be something like "raises for exam progress for candidates not in the program are fully at the discretion of the manager, and are not governed by this schedule".
This is why.
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