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Old 10-22-2018, 06:11 PM
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It's interesting that they're talking about potential "customers" and not "members."
And expanding revenue base to relevant professions outside actuarial, market opportunity 31x "the current target profession" etc.
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Yep - if everyone gets a unique link then its 100% guaranteed not anonymous.
Not entirely true. The unique link can be used by the administrator to ensure no duplicate response and to aggregate results for the customer. But such unique links can be constructed in ways that do not provide any way to attach it to a real individual.

I believe we use them for our company engagement survey and I can informally atest to their refusal to provide any aggregated view without it having more than 5 responses. They do not provide the data to us in whole either. I would say the anonymity can be relied upon.
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I don't normally mix religion and politics, but the Gospel reading from Mark at Mass yesterday (about service-oriented leadership) was just too on point about the philosophical differences between the SoA and the CAS. (If the whole thing is too long for you, just skip to the last eight lines.)

'James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Jesus and said to him,
"Teacher, we want you to do for us whatever we ask of you."
He replied, "What do you wish me to do for you?"
They answered him, "Grant that in your glory
we may sit one at your right and the other at your left."
Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking.
Can you drink the cup that I drink
or be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?"
They said to him, "We can."
Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink, you will drink,
and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized;
but to sit at my right or at my left is not mine to give
but is for those for whom it has been prepared."
When the ten heard this, they became indignant at James and John.
Jesus summoned them and said to them,
"You know that those who are recognized as rulers over the Gentiles
lord it over them,
and their great ones make their authority over them felt.
But it shall not be so among you.
Rather, whoever wishes to be great among you will be your servant;
whoever wishes to be first among you will be the slave of all.
For the Son of Man did not come to be served
but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.'

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Gotta say, when I listened to the gospel reading yesterday, actuarial organizations didn't come to mind at all.
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Maybe that's because the SoA doesn't have as strong a tradition of service-oriented leadership.

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It's interesting that they're talking about potential "customers" and not "members."
I've seen this McKinley report. The project was originated through the CAS Innovation Council - a new group that I started while CAS President as an attempt to focus some CAS efforts to look externally for new opportunities.

CAS seminars and limited attendance workshops have attracted some non-actuaries for years as learning programs and professional development offerings, even outside of insurance. This project explored whether there was a viable market for certain CAS CE programs to other professionals, for example statisticians.

The market survey project results were encouraging, especially with regards to iCAS as well as other CAS CE and training programs which could be generalized, possibly to be attractive for professionals in other fields and also to create opportunities for technical collaborations with non-actuaries.

So I suggest that the reference to "customers" refers to the potential market for non-members who would pay for CAS educational programs, thereby helping to reduce the cost of CE for members or to fund expanding such programs to the benefit of members as well as those "customers".
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I've seen this McKinley report. The project was originated through the CAS Innovation Council - a new group that I started while CAS President as an attempt to focus some CAS efforts to look externally for new opportunities.
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Bob - Thank you for the clear and insightful explanation; it sounds like an activity one would expect the CAS to undertake consistent with its mission.
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Gotta say, when I listened to the gospel reading yesterday, actuarial organizations didn't come to mind at all.
Meanwhile, my church's sermon this weekend was from Matthew 2:1-11, about a wedding that was going to crash and burn without a literal miracle.

They can't all be relevant to every situation.
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ctm

ours was on being content in all circumstances (Philippians 4:10-13)

also Proverbs 14:30 - A tranquil heart gives life to the flesh, but envy makes the bones rot.

take heed, SOA!
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