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Old 02-16-2018, 05:44 PM
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Academy This Week:

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Updated Board and Committee Meetings Policy

Last month the Academy Board of Directors revised the Academy’s meeting policy. This week, the Academy provided additional information for members. Academy meetings have not been “closed.” Rather, it gives officers and committee chairs the tools they need to protect the integrity of the Academy process.

Over the past 18 months, certain observers have used the Board and Committee Meetings Policy to engage in conduct to chill discussions and debates at the ASB and other Academy committees. In one case, an observer has insisted on attending committee and Board meetings despite threatening legal action against the Academy. Read more about the policy and the reasons for it here.
The "here" is the link L Mo put up earlier:
http://www.actuary.org/content/updat...tings-policy-1

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February 12, 2018
Last month the Academy Board of Directors revised the Academy’s meeting policy. (See the news entry from Jan. 31, 2018, here.) The revised policy has one overarching aim—to empower committee and board chairpersons to do their jobs as effectively as possible. The purpose of all Academy meetings is to further the mission of the Academy. It is imperative that chairs have the tools they need to protect the integrity of the Academy process. This is especially critical for those groups responsible for establishing, maintaining, and enforcing our professionalism standards. Meetings of committees and other Academy bodies—other than those of a few committees that have always been closed—remain open to observation provided the observer is deemed to be helpful to the work of the committee. A link to the policy is here.

Why did the Board make this change now? Over the last 18 months, certain observers have used the Board and Committee Meetings Policy to engage in conduct that has tended to chill discussions and debates at the ASB and other Academy committees. In one case, an observer has insisted on attending committee and Board meetings despite threatening legal action against the Academy. The Board responded appropriately by striking a balance between transparency, which has always been important to the Academy, the need to protect the independence and objectivity of all Academy bodies, and the need of those committees to have a robust deliberative process with free and frank exchanges of ideas. The revised policy does precisely that by giving officers and chairpersons the freedom to admit observers who will be helpful to their respective committees while at the same time giving them the necessary tools to protect the committees’ work.

The Academy is aware that an actuary has begun a campaign to enlist members in a petition drive to amend the Academy bylaws to reverse the Board’s decision. For more information about the reasons for this petition campaign, please also see this letter to the actuary’s attorney about the nature and basis of her requests.
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:50 PM
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For the sake of argument let's assume Ms. Smith is disruptive, doesn't the legal response's 2nd paragraph (note IANAL) essentially ban her from meetings? (PDF is protected, cannot copy and paste here)

If not, can't they just ban her and still keep meetings open?
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Yes, the AAA got me good. They posted an ugly letter without any of the other correspondence or any support for their accusations. I have been called worse than unhinged before...no big deal...I knew what I was getting into when I started this...

But, a couple of things to think about:

1. The first time I went or requested to go to an ASB meeting was November 2017, so this is not all about me.
2. But, letís assume I am unhinged for discussion purposes and additionally a huge pain. SO WHAT? It is not rational to close meetings to almost 20000 members and the public because one person wants to go to the meeting. If one person is a problem, you deal with that.

Over the weekend, I will post all of the correspondence on ASBCoQsunshine.com -all the emails and letters so those who want to can make a judgment about who is unhinged: the ED of AAA or me. Heck, you might decide we both are...😀
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