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View Poll Results: Will self driving autos kill car insurance?
Of course 42 16.60%
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:10 PM
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You've never actually seen a deer, have you?

Most of these collisions aren't poor timing, they are because the deer freeze in the headlights.
Ha! I've actually had a deer lunge at my vehicle during rutting season. That one ended in a draw.

Anyhoo, I'm glad these new sensors will be able to differentiate between leaves swirling into the roadway and balls/children.
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You've never actually seen a deer, have you?

Most of these collisions aren't poor timing, they are because the deer freeze in the headlights.
And then the deer jumps "the wrong way".

I have yet to see anyone/anything anticipate the direction a deer (or other large wildlife) is going to take once it decides to act.

Also, would the technology recognize road/weather conditions sufficiently (and accurately) to make appropriate adjustments in velocity/acceleration to avoid the collision and/or rolling the vehicle.
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I would bet $100 right now that this will be covered under a PAP, because BOTH the car lobby and the insurance lobby will want it done that way.

Not sure, the manufacturers could capture all the profits from the private passenger market? They might be interested in that.
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You've never actually seen a deer, have you?

Most of these collisions aren't poor timing, they are because the deer freeze in the headlights.
Never been on a collision course with one, no. However, driving dynamics don't change with deer's behavior. If it stays in place, you swerve around it. It takes a lot less distance to change a lane than to come to a complete stop. Unless you're coming up on a brick wall that for some reason suddenly snuck up on you, hard braking is a suboptimal avoidance maneuver.

The reason humans have trouble with deer is that they don't have enough distance to react to it, especially at nighttime.
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Also, would the technology recognize road/weather conditions sufficiently (and accurately) to make appropriate adjustments in velocity/acceleration to avoid the collision and/or rolling the vehicle.
We already have stability control. It seems to be aware of the car's performance envelope well enough.
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And then the deer jumps "the wrong way".

I have yet to see anyone/anything anticipate the direction a deer (or other large wildlife) is going to take once it decides to act.
When a moose and a logging truck collide, it turns out that neither one of them wins. (True story. A friend of my parents was driving the truck.)

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Also, would the technology recognize road/weather conditions sufficiently (and accurately) to make appropriate adjustments in velocity/acceleration to avoid the collision and/or rolling the vehicle.
Neither do human drivers. I remember riding with my husband on the freeway with not a lot of snow (well, maybe lots for North Carolina). A car went past us, and both of us thought the driver was going too fast for conditions, as confirmed when we watched him spin out. Didn't hit anything, fortunately, but a driverless car probably wouldn't have spun at all.

As for the original topic, I vote with "a long time." And the really tough part is going to be the transition, where human drivers don't know what to expect from those driverless cars sharing the roadway.
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And then the deer jumps "the wrong way".

I have yet to see anyone/anything anticipate the direction a deer (or other large wildlife) is going to take once it decides to act.
That's another benefit of technology. Anticipation is necessary when your reaction time is significant. You don't need to anticipate anticipate anything at all if your reaction time is instant. You just react to whatever happens, at exactly the moment it happens.

Every modern car has ABS these days. Can ABS anticipate the driver mashing the pedal? No, but it doesn't need to. It just reacts to it when it happens, and at ~500 Hz sampling rate, it's for all intents and purposes instantaneous. It does what it's designed to do really well too.
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Never been on a collision course with one, no. However, driving dynamics don't change with deer's behavior. If it stays in place, you swerve around it. It takes a lot less distance to change a lane than to come to a complete stop. Unless you're coming up on a brick wall that for some reason suddenly snuck up on you, hard braking is a suboptimal avoidance maneuver.

The reason humans have trouble with deer is that they don't have enough distance to react to it, especially at nighttime.
Swerving to avoid a deer has got to be top ten dumbest things you can do while driving.
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I would bet $100 right now that this will be covered under a PAP, because BOTH the car lobby and the insurance lobby will want it done that way.
Which side of the insurance lobby? Personal or commercial. I'm sure that there are commercial carriers that would be happy to accept the StateFarm/GEICO/Progressive business!
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I haven't read all the posts so this might have been said before:

The manufacturer/AI designer will need product liability insurance. In this case software bugs can be catastrophic, and there will be demand for this kind of insurance.
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