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Old 10-11-2015, 10:19 AM
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There may be some actuaries who are mathematicians, but it isn't because they are actuaries.

The converse is also true.

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How do you define a "mathematician"? Can't wait to see Kesha's reply to this thread.

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How do you define a "mathematician"? Can't wait to see Kesha's reply to this thread.

If you do not have a Ph.D. in mathematics you are not a mathematician. It's as simple as that.

And for all those actuaries who think they could have gotten a Ph.D. in mathematics, most of you couldn't handle that type of emotional abuse. =)
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There may be some actuaries who are mathematicians, but it isn't because they are actuaries.

The converse is also true.

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This.

And I'm among those whose corporate peers hold Masters and Ph.D.s in various analytical fields.
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If you do not have a Ph.D. in mathematics you are not a mathematician. It's as simple as that.

And for all those actuaries who think they could have gotten a Ph.D. in mathematics, most of you couldn't handle that type of emotional abuse. =)
I dont think I agree with this. I think the term "mathematician" is a way to describe someone's main occupation/job/employment so having a PhD is neither necessary nor sufficient to be called a mathematician. I'd be willing to say that a mathematician is simply someone who's job is almost entirely focused on using or creating mathematics. I think you really need to spend most of your time on solving problems that have been formulated in a mathematical way.

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Tom Struppeck became a professor after having worked as an actuary after having taught for several years as a post-doc instructor.
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Some Actuaries are mathematicians.

Some Actuaries are not mathematicians.
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By the same token, what does it mean to be an actuary? Do you have to be a Fellow to be an actuary? I am OK with someone who does actuarial work calling themselves an actuary, although we understand it requires credentials to sign statutory statements of actuarial opinion.

PhD's in math probably don't consider actuaries to be mathematicians (unless they also have PhD's in math), but if I am at a party and someone asks what I do and who gives me a blank look after "actuary," I say "mathematician in insurance."
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By the same token, what does it mean to be an actuary? Do you have to be a Fellow to be an actuary? I am OK with someone who does actuarial work calling themselves an actuary, although we understand it requires credentials to sign statutory statements of actuarial opinion.

PhD's in math probably don't consider actuaries to be mathematicians (unless they also have PhD's in math), but if I am at a party and someone asks what I do and who gives me a blank look after "actuary," I say "mathematician in insurance."
You didn't even need that parenthetical bit. PhDs in math would probably conisder actuaries with PhDs in math to be former mathematicians, unless said actuary is one of the tiny handful wo are actually creating mathematics. And in that case, the PhD is irrelevant as a criterion (as it is in general).
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By the same token, what does it mean to be an actuary? Do you have to be a Fellow to be an actuary? I am OK with someone who does actuarial work calling themselves an actuary, although we understand it requires credentials to sign statutory statements of actuarial opinion.
That's a different thread that already exists.
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