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Old 06-21-2018, 07:26 PM
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If one is single and unattached, job hopping can be pretty fun and rewarding, especially if you like discovering new places. You get to experience a new city in a way you could never do by just visiting.
This is true, but it is hard sometimes to leave your social circle behind in one city when you leave for a new one. And depending on the new place, it may not be as easy to make new friends as it was in the previous city.

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Once you have a family, moving becomes a major pain.
It becomes a pain in that you have to get the family on board with you to support your move. However, I actually think it's harder in a lot of cases to adjust once you are moved in if you are single, since you have no family to help you get acquainted with your new location.
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If you don't live in a place where there is only a barn and an insurance company, job hopping doesn't require moving.

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Old 06-21-2018, 07:47 PM
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To add to Ditka's point, I've had 3rd party recruiters who were supposed to make the process less stressful actually make it more stressful, so I'm yet to find a situation in which it's completely enjoyable.
I feel like there is a difference between "could-move" searches, "will-move" searches and "must-move" searches.

Must-move meaning you're company is dying, you're going to get axed, etc.
Will-move meaning you just don't think you'll have much growth in your current spot but a fire alarm hasn't gone off.
Could-move meaning you are like casually browsing, keeping skills up to demand, and testing to see where the market currently is.

"Could-move" situation makes looking at other jobs enjoyable and in those situations you should just tell any 3rd party recruiter to get lost, no? Personally, I rarely respond to 3rd party recruiters, but the messages I receive from in-house recruiters, I usually respond to even if the specific role does not sound exciting. It doesn't hurt to have someone ready to call.

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I have had 5 jobs in three states in four years. Believe me when I say that job-hopping is not enjoyable.
Bolded might have been the issue in your case.
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How does job hopping lead to a 20-25% raise? Does that happen on every hop?
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How does job hopping lead to a 20-25% raise? Does that happen on every hop?
It can happen easily if you're underpaid.
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:19 PM
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How does job hopping lead to a 20-25% raise? Does that happen on every hop?
Very easy and common
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Very easy and common
...only when you're relatively inexperienced, much less common when you are at the upper bound of years of experience and actuarial pay.
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Depends in part on what you want for your life and career. I spent 15 years at a small company with no real promotion possibilities. But I didn't manage anyone, liked my colleagues, no stress ever, very light hours, family loved the location and schools, and most years made over 200k with bonus. Another actuary there, a single guy who started about same time as me, left after a year because he saw no future at that company. He changed jobs a few more times after that, each time moving to a new city to take a step up. Now he's an exec making close to 7 figures including his bonus potential. Of course, not saying the only difference between us is that he was willing to move and I wasn't. This guy is brilliant, hard-edged, outgoing and aggressive, and willing to work 80 hour weeks because he loves insurance and he loves work.
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I don't. Hop hop hop.
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