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Old 06-22-2018, 05:02 PM
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Look, I’m all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I’m being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly… I’m going wherever they value loyalty the most
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Old 06-22-2018, 05:05 PM
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To the OP though, if you can get 25% by moving, and the job looks decent, why not? Why would you resist that?

But don't agree that such options exist all the time. Mostly 25+% is only if you have exceptional skills, a specialized niche, or are just absurdly underpaid.

Otherwise, it's not usually hard to get 10% more, but is that worth it to have to learn new people and organization, etc? Maybe, but not that obvious. The other benefits you list are also a bunch of "maybe, but not always".

Over the long-term, there's a negative associated with job-hopping, although it's often over-stated. Also, if you are getting a raise to move, and then new company doesn't want to pay you, and that happens consistently, that's a market signal that you shouldn't ignore.
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Look, Iím all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what Iím being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highlyÖ Iím going wherever they value loyalty the most
I think the Scranton Staples is hiring.
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Look, I’m all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I’m being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly… I’m going wherever they value loyalty the most
lol if someone determined you weren't profitable to keep you'd be dropped in a second.

there is no loyalty in business that does not also follow a positive profit. customers, employees, whatever.

that line of reasoning works for morality has well. (happy pride month!)
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lol if someone determined you weren't profitable to keep you'd be dropped in a second.

there is no loyalty in business that does not also follow a positive profit. customers, employees, whatever.

that line of reasoning works for morality has well. (happy pride month!)
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OP should think in terms of net income instead of gross income. Sure +25% is high, but you are also taxed at your highest marginal tax bracket
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I had exactly the same thought. Much easier to do when you're single. Nearly impossible when you have a wife and kids.
Perhaps home ownership is a confounding variable there though.

The more stuff you have; whether that be kids (lol), pets, cars and furniture, the harder it is to move physically.

Throw on a house that includes some emotional attachment as well and things get rough.

Solution: Don't own anything.

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OP should think in terms of net income instead of gross income. Sure +25% is high, but you are also taxed at your highest marginal tax bracket
Net discretionary income and total time off imo. A 20% raise for a job in San Francisco wouldnít be enough for me probably, and if you work from home mostly now, that might not even be enough to cover the increased maintenance costs of going into an office. And thatís before you get into the benefits question.

Of course, getting a job where you can point to higher nominal compensation still generally gets you paid more in the long term, so some of these considerations can be superseded by that factor.

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Bolded might have been the issue in your case.
It was definitely added stress, but even if I were in the same place for all five jobs, I would've found it very stressful to have switched as much as I have. In most of those cases, the main factors for me leaving were terrible workplace cultures and not aligning with my long-term career goals.
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