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Old 01-17-2017, 11:32 AM
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After a relative suffered a heart attack a few years ago, Silicon Valley entrepreneur Adrian Aoun got an unsettling look at a health-care system that he diagnosed as an inefficient and outdated mess.

Now he believes he has a remedy. It's called Forward, a health-management service that charges a $149 per month - roughly $1,800 a year - to tend to all of its patients' primary-care needs.

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Forward hopes to provide more hands-on attention from primary-care doctors freed from paperwork and other bureaucratic frustrations, while backing them up with sophisticated algorithms that analyze the digital data stockpiled about its patients.

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"Primary care is a very small part of the cost for what health insurance covers," Ginsburg said. "So, even after paying nearly $2,000 a year, you are still going to have to buy health insurance to cover everything else."
So members pay 2000 a year just to get primary care and healthcare management service that they get with traditional health plan anyway?

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This is called concierge medicine where a PCP is responsible for all the medical decision. It is not a new concepts, but the doctor can only serve a few patients. As a start up, it won't have sufficient data to make a meaningful analysis of the data unless it team up with a large insurance company or hospital.

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This model will take doctors remove the current healthcare system and allow doctors to serve only few wealthy individuals. The massive majority of the population will be left with fewer doctors and longer wait time, then the public will blame insurance company.
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I'm not really sure how 'radical' a change this is, it can basically be viewed as a carve-out or partial capitation arrangement when paired with a traditional insurance product. I'm sure most of the branding of these as revolutionary start-ups is just for PR purposes to get people to enroll.

That being said, I do really like the idea of carving out a lot more of these predictable costs (PCP, labs, basic imaging) from policies and making health insurance more like actual insurance (vs. prepaid medical).

If providers want to fill that space with fixed PMPM type products like this, good for them; if people just choose to pay out of pocket for routine care as needed, good for them too.
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I'm not really sure how 'radical' a change this is, it can basically be viewed as a carve-out or partial capitation arrangement when paired with a traditional insurance product. I'm sure most of the branding of these as revolutionary start-ups is just for PR purposes to get people to enroll.

That being said, I do really like the idea of carving out a lot more of these predictable costs (PCP, labs, basic imaging) from policies and making health insurance more like actual insurance (vs. prepaid medical).

If providers want to fill that space with fixed PMPM type products like this, good for them; if people just choose to pay out of pocket for routine care as needed, good for them too.
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I agree. A "personal" subscription (single user) to Office 365, with Excel, Word, Access, Outlook, Power Point, and a couple of others I never use costs $69.99 per year. I know the human body is pretty complex but I doubt that any current primary care AI is as complex as these things. Not to mention maybe a concern about privacy and hackability.

But if primary care AI ever gets to a programming and physician staff budget consistent with (say) 10 mm world wide users at $100/year, it might be pretty cool.
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I'm guessing poor people will all be getting diagnosed by watson in the future.

Rich people might get watson + review by a human.

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I'm guessing poor people will all be getting diagnosed by watson in the future.

Rich people might get watson + review by a human.

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Watson alone might do a better job
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