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You don't think the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act were intended to make care affordable? Do go on
love too make means-tested subsidies based on income and peg them to the poverty level but not intend for them to go to poor people
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love too make means-tested subsidies based on income and peg them to the poverty level but not intend for them to go to poor people
They are tied to the Federal Poverty Level by pure happenstance.
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You don't think the subsidies in the Affordable Care Act were intended to make careinsurance affordable? Do go on
IFYP, since pretty much nothing in the act was designed to make care more affordable.
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They are tied to the Federal Poverty Level by pure happenstance.
i don't understand what you mean here. either that or i don't understand what "happenstance" means. isn't FPL used as a measure for various other programs? what do you mean wrt its use in PPACA? i'm not trying to be difficult, i'd really like to understand what you're saying
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i don't understand what you mean here. either that or i don't understand what "happenstance" means. isn't FPL used as a measure for various other programs? what do you mean wrt its use in PPACA? i'm not trying to be difficult, i'd really like to understand what you're saying
He is disputing Locrian's claim that ACA premium subsidies are not intended to go to poor people
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He is disputing Locrian's claim that ACA premium subsidies are not intended to go to poor people
okay, so CG was being snarky/funny
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and by poor people, you must mean low income people, because subsidy eligibility is measured by income, not wealth
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As low income people TEND not to have much wealth, it's used as an easier proxy. Means testing gets a lot more complicated when you throw assets into the mix due to wide variations in real estate and things like family farms.
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agin it then and now.
These are really fascinating reasons for being against it which is what i assume you meant. They sound like Fox News talking points.

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plenty of people take advantage of tax law even when they oppose it. many AOers oppose deductions for charitable expense, mort int expense, etc, and believe that we are undertaxed. i also know people irl who believe this, yet they all take those deductions and do not pay any FIT over and above what is required of them.
Yes, if only those liberals would stop taking charitable deductions then all our problems would be solved. I don't know any liberals who primary concern is raising taxes. This is just a stupid argument you guys use. I think government should fund certain things, those that I think are underfunded I give to directly (ie $1000 to planned parenthood). I don't pay an extra $1000 in taxes so $700 can go to IMC and $2 to PP.

ACA is not a tax law. Manipulating your 'income' to get subsidies intended for people between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level to take advantage of a health care program you are on the record as being quite strongly against is pretty bad.
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I knew a principled Obamacare hater. Dude didn't have insurance through his employer and paid a shitload in bills for one of his kids. He asked me what his options were. I said, well the individual market used to suck but now you have the exchange option!!

he said, and i quote, "i ain't getting no f***ing Obamacare!"

I was like, well I can't help you dumb ass. You're exactly who it's intended for. I guess you're not signing up for medicare when you're 65 either because it's government health insurance and R&D expenditures will be limited and death squads oh noes!
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