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Old 07-02-2018, 08:18 AM
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...The claimaint has passed all exams apart from CA3 (Communications) and SA2 (Specialist UK Life)
Except that, unless I have misinterpreted something, given:
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... leaving in the claim reference numbers in paragraphs 14 and 15 does help identify the claimant.
it appears that he has now passed all the exams needed for Fellowship. But presumably not until after preparing and submitting his claim to the tribunal.

The underlying principle of the discrimination claim (whether mutual recognition is valid where exam systems are completely different), is still interesting, but I guess it may be now more about whether his qualification was ultimately delayed, and any consequential damages.
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Furthermore, I have not appointed anyone to provide a summary of the case.
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The underlying principle of the discrimination claim (whether mutual recognition is valid where exam systems are completely different), is still interesting.
It is. And it's a tough one to fight in the UK at the moment, as some of the widest gaps between actuarial qualification standards covered by mutual recognition are between us and other EU countries.
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Summary, in case anyone cares.
Thanks GW, I appreciate it. Particularly since I can't see the actual PDF for whatever reason.

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- The claimant believes it is discriminatory to expect him to pass these as other jurisdictions, which have a mutual recognition program with the IFoA, don’t have equivalent exams
That's sort-of interesting and something that had not come out in the first thread.

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The meat of the victimisation allegation is that they did not mark his paper, this conclusion is reached based on an “irregularity” in the recording of the marks. The irregularity being that he was not provided his marks when he submitted a subject access request for them - this was in 2012. The current IFoA stance would be to provide the marks, it’s not clear from anything we’ve seen whether to not provide his SA2 marks was the standard approach from the IFoA at the time.
So there's still no information that would lead to the conclusion that the IFoA did anything wrong here, huh?
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Would suggest that those that are new to it in this thread, the other thread has some pretty good background that's worth reading in order to understand the personalities involved.


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Thanks GW, I appreciate it. Particularly since I can't see the actual PDF for whatever reason.
It's now an imgur link. I can't see them at work, i suspect due to firewall.

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So there's still no information that would lead to the conclusion that the IFoA did anything wrong here, huh?
I think it's fair to say that what the IFoA did in 2012 is contrary to their stated 2018 position. The point unanswered is whether what they did in 2012 was in line with their 2012 position, and, if not, if that was malicious.
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I read 200 posts in the original thread.

and now read here. can't wait for the final review to be handed down.
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Except that, unless I have misinterpreted something, given: it appears that he has now passed all the exams needed for Fellowship. But presumably not until after preparing and submitting his claim to the tribunal.

The underlying principle of the discrimination claim (whether mutual recognition is valid where exam systems are completely different), is still interesting, but I guess it may be now more about whether his qualification was ultimately delayed, and any consequential damages.
You dont seem to understand how MR works in Europe.

Just because you are qualified in France does not mean you can use that to become qualified in the UK automatically.

Under EU rules, the UK body (IfoA) needs to approve the application, and if you look at the log of the EU council regarding these things, they do in fact deny these applications from time to time.
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Clearly I shouldn't even be reading this thread. I previously found out who Derik Cribb is, but who is Karen Brocklesby?
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