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Yes, let's be clear: the only "licensing" so far has been for test vehicles, and they're operating under strict liability (and in one state a $1M bond had to be purchased). Google has also not said what proportion of the 300K miles was actually done on highways vs the test track.

It's a long way off. Just think about this: in a dense traffic situation, all the cars in a certain locus will have to communicate not just their immediate positions, but possibly also their vectors and anticipated changes. I hope MIcrosoft isn't involved in the software.
Vectors are easily determined. I wonder how far down the road can a car "see" in congested traffic in order to anticipate "change".
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I hope MIcrosoft isn't involved in the software.

Actually, I posted in another thread about how the computer on my car got confused about whether the gas cap was on correctly.
"Sorry, boss, I won't be at work today. My car refuses to back out of the garage. Its sensors indicate there is oncoming traffic."


I'll believe that cars will be allowed to drive themselves as soon as airlines start using remote piloted planes. (Or see another thread from meep about how all the airplane safety stuff can overwhelm the pilot leading to less than optimal response to problesm.)
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Vectors are easily determined. I wonder how far down the road can a car "see" in congested traffic in order to anticipate "change".
For individual cars, sure. But in the closely-packed driving world envisioned in parts of this thread, individual cars determine their own vectors, but do they then communicate them to other cars as they react to unexpected changes? And then the other cars have to recalculate? That seems unworkable, but then otherwise you're left with just reacting to other cars, and that seems to make packing more difficult.
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For individual cars, sure. But in the closely-packed driving world envisioned in parts of this thread, individual cars determine their own vectors, but do they then communicate them to other cars as they react to unexpected changes? And then the other cars have to recalculate? That seems unworkable, but then otherwise you're left with just reacting to other cars, and that seems to make packing more difficult.
If the cars are networked, you don't need an "uber computer" centrally controlling the traffic. Protocols could be established for how many nearby cars a vehicle interfaced with and the level of response various vehicles made to things sensed by another vehicle. Perhaps somewhat like the Aegis system, except focusing on targets to avoid rather than targets to hit.
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I think it ends up being centralized - really no different than stop lights directing traffic now, except that stop light will be receiving requests and sending instructions to all the cars within a specified range. Slop light says "here are the open paths" and cars respond with request to take a certain path, which the stop light approves or denies.
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This thread is over 150 posts so this was probably said but there is a HUGE liability potential to google and auto owners since all cars will presumably be handled by the same system. How will the liability for a hacker (or a coutry cyber terrorist unit) to cause millions of silmultaions collisions be handled? That's a real possibility that never existed before.

What about just making it so the system crashes for an extended perior of time? So virtually no transporation of any kind (comm or personal) in lets say US for a few weeks? You could cripple or collapse a country without firing a bulllet. There is a huge potential for mistakes or malicious acts to cause problems that never had to be contemplated before.
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I think it ends up being centralized - really no different than stop lights directing traffic now, except that stop light will be receiving requests and sending instructions to all the cars within a specified range. Slop light says "here are the open paths" and cars respond with request to take a certain path, which the stop light approves or denies.
Kind of like air traffic control, only much more complicated.

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This thread is over 150 posts so this was probably said but there is a HUGE liability potential to google and auto owners since all cars will presumably be handled by the same system. How will the liability for a hacker (or a coutry cyber terrorist unit) to cause millions of silmultaions collisions be handled? That's a real possibility that never existed before.

What about just making it so the system crashes for an extended perior of time? So virtually no transporation of any kind (comm or personal) in lets say US for a few weeks? You could cripple or collapse a country without firing a bulllet. There is a huge potential for mistakes or malicious acts to cause problems that never had to be contemplated before.
We've been mostly ignoring low-hanging fruit like this in favor of rampaging deer. But it's a good point.
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This thread is over 150 posts so this was probably said but there is a HUGE liability potential to google and auto owners since all cars will presumably be handled by the same system. How will the liability for a hacker (or a coutry cyber terrorist unit) to cause millions of silmultaions collisions be handled? That's a real possibility that never existed before.

What about just making it so the system crashes for an extended perior of time? So virtually no transporation of any kind (comm or personal) in lets say US for a few weeks? You could cripple or collapse a country without firing a bulllet. There is a huge potential for mistakes or malicious acts to cause problems that never had to be contemplated before.
I guess cars could still have manual overrides, like the emergency rope on my automatic garage door opener that lets me get in and out of my garage when there is a malfunction in the automated system. You would still need licensed drivers to clear the minors, blind, and other "automatically" driven vehicles from the roads, and these future licensed drivers would be less practiced, therefore, less skilled than today's licensed drivers.

You're right though, the implications are huge.
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