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It is according to the CAS and SOA.
You seem to be confusing the CAS and SoA. The CAS board hasn't approved any secrecy requirements on their board.
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Also, isn't the FEM debacle proof that the system works, even if not as smoothly as we want. Both boards eventually listened to the members and said no.
Not at all. The Boards planned and expected to approve FEM without member involvement. I was the one -- acting entirely alone and very unwelcome -- who forced the release of an exposure draft. It was all downhill from there. FEM couldn't be approved in the face of such overwhelming and intense opposition. Not to mention numerous governance concerns that others were glossing over (like the apparent need for Bylaws amendments).

My term on the SOA Board ended in October 2010. Who knows what they're doing now? New controls on information flow, secrecy oaths and restrictions on member attendance have made it impossible for us to monitor the board, beyond what they tell us. Not a good situation.

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Don't the "CIA exam waivers" = FEM?
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Not at all. The Boards planned and expected to approve FEM without member involvement. I was the one -- acting entirely alone and very unwelcome -- who forced the release of an exposure draft. It was all downhill from there. FEM couldn't be approved in the face of such overwhelming and intense opposition. Not to mention numerous governance concerns that others were glossing over (like the apparent need for Bylaws amendments).

My term on the SOA Board ended in October 2010. Who knows what they're doing now? New controls on information flow, secrecy oaths and restrictions on member attendance have made it impossible for us to monitor the board, beyond what they tell us. Not a good situation.

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Again, this seems to be including the SoA's problems in the CAS's board election. While their are people on the CAS board I would rather not be there, I think it's in a better place than the SoA board.
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Don't the "CIA exam waivers" = FEM?
Yes, I think that is the point of that question, whether they would support taking another look at it.
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Joint discipline is just another step in putting the SOA and CAS under the AAA. The AAA members have no control over AAA because only 1/3rd of that board is elected.
And the election is not very open (though it's far more open than the SOA's Soviet-style elections). Basically, the AAA's nominating committee -- a group of deep insiders, all current or former Board members -- selects a group of candidates -- other deep insiders who have drunk the kool-aid -- for the membership to elect. There is normally not a competitive election (other then the one time Tom Bakos forced one). All of the proposed candidates win.

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Again, this seems to be including the SoA's problems in the CAS's board election. While their are people on the CAS board I would rather not be there, I think it's in a better place than the SoA board.
No doubt about that. I totally agree. But back in 2007-09, the CAS was part of the plan to approve FEM without member involvement. That was derailed, and the CAS's much more open election process allowed some FEM opponents to be elected to the Board. The CAS members are basically taking back their organization. The SOA has made that impossible.

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Does anyone know what the Joint Discipline Panels means for Canadian members? Does the CIA just replace the AAA or is there something else here?
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Does anyone know what the Joint Discipline Panels means for Canadian members? Does the CIA just replace the AAA or is there something else here?
Is the CIA a part of the joint deal, or just the American organizations?

If the CIA isn't a part of the deal, I would think there would still be two hearings if you were FCAS, FCIA.
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That's correct (unless one organization conducted the investigation on behalf of both). But CIA is not part of this new proposal.

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