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Old 07-18-2006, 04:25 PM
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and for Brown I love "Lacrosse legend" its true but funny considering all the others were straight info
i read it as 'football and lacrosse legend", since it didn't say 'football player, lacrosse legend'. i wonder if wikipdia calls other athletes 'legends' (muhammed ali, babe ruth, etc)
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:46 PM
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Wasn't he the all-time leading scorer in Big East history? May say something about the league.
just to show how ridiculous your statement is:

the leading scorer in Big Ten history is Calbert Cheaney

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calbert_Cheaney

the leading scorer in Pac 10 history is Don MacLean

http://uclabruins.cstv.com/genrel/101002aaa.html

not exactly NBA superstar material there either, huh?

looks like pistol pete (the leading scorer in SEC/NCAA history...in only 3 years where he averaged 44 ppg!) is the exception to the rule.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:17 PM
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Calm down. I never even mentioned the NBA.

Here are the ACC's top 10 scorers. I couldn't find the Big East's, but I certainly don't think of Moten and Bell in the same class of most of these players in their college careers. I would like to see some other conferences.

J.J. Redick
Dickie Hemric
Johnny Dawkins
Rodney Monroe
Bryant Stith
Christian Laettner
Mike Gminski
Jeff Lamp
David Thompson
Phil Ford
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looks like pistol pete (the leading scorer in SEC/NCAA history...in only 3 years where he averaged 44 ppg!) is the exception to the rule.
http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/MurphyCalvin.htm

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[Calvin Murphy] Fourth all-time leading scorer in college basketball history behind Pete Maravich, Austin Carr and Oscar Robertson
Murphy = Metro Atlantic Athletic

Robertson = whatever conference Cincinnati was in

AC Carr = whatever conference Notre Dame was in (Independent?) http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/history/austin_carr.html

So the top 4 scorers all had quality NBA careers.
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Murphy = Metro Atlantic Athletic

Robertson = whatever conference Cincinnati was in

AC Carr = whatever conference Notre Dame was in (Independent?) http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/history/austin_carr.html

So the top 4 scorers all had quality NBA careers.
Correction, Calvin Murphy is 4th all-time in PPG, not points scored. The points scored list goes like this.

Yrs Last Gm Pts
Pete Maravich, LSU 3 1970 83 3,667
Freeman Williams, Port. St. 4 1978 106 3,249
Lionel Simmons, La Salle 4 1990 131 3,217
Alphonso Ford, Miss. Val. St. 4 1993 109 3,165
Harry Kelly, Texas Southern 4 1983 110 3,066
Hersey Hawkins, Bradley 4 1988 125 3,008
Oscar Robertson, Cincinnati 3 1960 88 2,973
Danny Manning, Kansas 4 1988 147 2,951
Alfredrick Hughes, Loyola-Ill. 4 1985 120 2,914
Elvin Hayes, Houston 3 1968 93 2,884

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Old 07-19-2006, 10:41 AM
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Calm down. I never even mentioned the NBA.

Here are the ACC's top 10 scorers. I couldn't find the Big East's, but I certainly don't think of Moten and Bell in the same class of most of these players in their college careers. I would like to see some other conferences.

J.J. Redick
Dickie Hemric
Johnny Dawkins
Rodney Monroe
Bryant Stith
Christian Laettner
Mike Gminski
Jeff Lamp
David Thompson
Phil Ford
For the Big East, the closest I could come up with was scoring in conference games...

Lawrence Moten
Troy Bell
Terry Dehere
Chris Mullin
Kerry Kittles
Dana Baros
Felipe Lopez
Bill Curley
Ryan Gomes
John Wallace

I still say it is a completely meaningless comparison, since very few of the best players from any major conference stick around long enough to crack the all-time scoring list. Comparing Jordan, Worthy, Brand, Duncan, Hill, Laettner etc to Ewing, Mullin, Iverson, Mourning, Coleman, Allen, 'Melo, etc, would make a lot more sense.
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Terry Dehere! I was trying to remember him yesterday. I thought this guy was awesome and haven't heard of him since college.

I suppose one could ask if college does develop talent or merely fill a waiting list. Where should future NBA talent go to develop over score points?
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I still say it is a completely meaningless comparison, since very few of the best players from any major conference stick around long enough to crack the all-time scoring list.
It is certainly not meaningless. You are focusing on how good the players are that ever played in the conferences. Who would you rather have had: Laettner as a senior or Iverson as a sophmore? Better players staying longer has made the ACC a better conference.
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Who would you rather have had: Laettner as a senior or Iverson as a sophmore? Better players staying longer has made the ACC a better conference.
Some of the most important Big East players weren't known primarily for scoring - Ewing, Mourning, Coleman, etc. If we compared the names on the Top 10 lists for rebounding/ shot blocking from the past 25 years (since the Big East has existed), I'm pretty sure the Big East's list would be more impressive.

I also didn't say the ACC hasn't been a little better overall, just that looking at those 10 names has very little to do with it. A better place to start would be comparing National Championships...for the past 25 years, by my count it's been ACC 8 (including the first 2, while the BE was still in infancy), Big East 5, Big Ten 3, SEC 3, Pac 10 2.

I'm also not sure why you're comparing Laettner to Iverson. As a college player, Laettner is probably the most significant ACC player of the past 25 years, so he should probably be compared to Ewing, which would be much closer.
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I also didn't say the ACC hasn't been a little better overall, just that looking at those 10 names has very little to do with it. A better place to start would be comparing National Championships...for the past 25 years, by my count it's been ACC 8 (including the first 2, while the BE was still in infancy), Big East 5, Big Ten 3, SEC 3, Pac 10 2.
That's like comparing the number of automobile accidents across various states. The ACC had 8 members until FSU joined, then 9 teams until recently. What's the average number of teams the Big East has had?
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