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View Poll Results: Do employers consider job hopping in hiring decisions?
Definitely. 20 30.77%
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42 jobs in 84 years 7 10.77%
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:22 AM
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Oh, I was fully planning on leaving my EL actuarial job off my resume some day. My bullet points for it are like "Learned how to use SAS, became a person, adapted to not getting summers off." That information is completely useless.

It seems like most companies use Taleo anymore, so I don't see anything wrong with putting your full job history in Taleo and just putting the most relevant information on your actual resume. Plus my full job history is on LinkedIn.

Is the AO of the opinion that you should put everything professional on the resume? I just assumed that the oldest, least relevant jobs would drop off at some point.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:24 AM
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You folks seem unduly concerned about a job from 10 years or more ago. Unless one of your "tell me about a time" answers refers to that, most hiring managers will only be interested in your most recent job experience. At some point, you may list the date and employer's name, but no details. And why do you think job applications often ask about jobs in the last five or so years?
It's not about lying, it's focusing on the more important and applicable part of your history.

Actually, as a career changer, my first job out of college - for about 3 years, was non-actuarial. It eventually got lumped into a single line about "several previous positions." Also, after FSA, I rarely got asked how I became interested in actuarial work.
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I have all my jobs on my resume. It lets them get the full picture, and you never know when there will be a convo about something that happened there. I don't have any bullets on my first two jobs, they can ask if they want.

FWIW, I've never used Taleo, and would guess that by the time you want to drop it off your resume, you won't be either.
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Oh, I was fully planning on leaving my EL actuarial job off my resume some day. My bullet points for it are like "Learned how to use SAS, became a person, adapted to not getting summers off." That information is completely useless.

It seems like most companies use Taleo anymore, so I don't see anything wrong with putting your full job history in Taleo and just putting the most relevant information on your actual resume. Plus my full job history is on LinkedIn.

Is the AO of the opinion that you should put everything professional on the resume? I just assumed that the oldest, least relevant jobs would drop off at some point.
HR applicant tracking system usage varies, sometimes within a single company. Lots of companies will use Taleo for their higher turnover lower paying jobs, and something likeSAP-Successfactors or Brassring for their higher tiered corporate jobs. This is typical for companies with large non-corporate operations like shipping, service, or manufacturing.


Taleo is terrible.

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HR applicant tracking system usage varies, sometimes within a single company. Lots of companies will use Taleo for their higher turnover lower paying jobs, and something likeSAP-Successfactors or Brassring for their higher tiered corporate jobs. This is typical for companies with large non-corporate operations like shipping, service, or manufacturing.


Taleo is terrible.
No question that it's terrible. I'm still a regular worker bee, so I haven't used many other applicant systems yet.
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What about if you were laid off or even let go? Are you saying someone's life and career are essentially over if they have a slight gap?
Not if they're able to find a job right away after getting laid off.

If not right away, maybe in the next 2 to 3 months.

Its really subjective but based on what multiple hiring managers have told me, anything more than 6 months gap is a red flag.

And I wouldn't say anything is essentially over. If you have a solid job history, credentials and good interview skills, it won't be difficult at all.
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So say you were at your first job for less than a year, maybe 10 months or so. After you've got some good experience (maybe 10 years?), you decide to leave it off the resume. Since that will create at least a year gap since you graduated school to when you started your next job, how do you answer the question when asked about it?
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At some point, you may list the date and employer's name, but no details.
This. I put zero details for my teaching job on my resume other than "Mathematics Teacher" and the name of the school and the dates that I worked there. For actuarial purposes one math teaching job is the same as any other.

If I ever wanted to return to teaching then I would actually mention which grades / classes I taught and stuff I did to try to stand out, the fact that I was the assistant yearbook sponsor, stuff like that. For an actuarial job no one cares about those details. But working as a teacher for the first year after I graduated from college looks better than a gap in employment.

It only takes one line on my resume.
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I'm more of a seven year itch kind of guy. It has done well for me so far as far as salary and other perks are concerned.
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