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Old 09-14-2017, 07:32 AM
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I reread and realized I never finished one of my thoughts. Flexibility helps the fascists because a 'meta' that forces the first half presidents to pick the 2nd half presidents as chancellor in a certain order means that there is a chance 2 fascists are in government together, which means a F policy is coming out (which it like was with a F president anyway) but there is no conflict, which means either it was FFF, both players are on the fascist team, or the fascist had some other reason to take the no-conflict route (which might mean they are Hitler) . That's why FFF claims are important, especially if the deck comes up weird at the end of the first shuffle. It wasn't totally weird in this game, because we did have 4L claimed so LL could have been the stub.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:37 AM
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MH, assume we live in a world where you and I are both liberals. Do you think I should trust you?

If I remember correctly, the liberals have lost 2/3 games with 4 policies, once with a 4-0 lead. If passing a 4th policy makes Hitler look like a for sure liberal, is it really that dangerous a move (dangerous maybe, but with enough benefits to be worth considering)? You've pointed out that if a fascist gets an opportunity to ditch 2 L policies, they are guaranteed to catch up. And have said repeatedly the question is always "Liberal or Hitler".
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MH, assume we live in a world where you and I are both liberals. Do you think I should trust you?

If I remember correctly, the liberals have lost 2/3 games with 4 policies, once with a 4-0 lead. If passing a 4th policy makes Hitler look like a for sure liberal, is it really that dangerous a move (dangerous maybe, but with enough benefits to be worth considering)? You've pointed out that if a fascist gets an opportunity to ditch 2 L policies, they are guaranteed to catch up. And have said repeatedly the question is always "Liberal or Hitler".
The liberals lost the last game because they got the circle of trust going too late and they chose to top deck and lost one of their assassinations. Once you get to 5F policies, the circle of trust needs to be really wide due to the veto rules. That said --- the people that passed the 4th L --- both liberal.

Game 2 they elected Hitler. YT played his role pretty well and was trusted. However, the players that played the 4th L -- both liberal.

Game 1 it got down to the last policy, and the fascists won because RDO was in the government as a fascist. But the 4th L --- both liberal.
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So, yes --- you should trust me and RDO without a really, really good reason not to.
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So, yes --- you should trust me and RDO without a really, really good reason not to.
Cool, thanks
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:15 AM
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Cool, thanks
There is one very particular case where the circle of trust could fail us, but I don't really want to mention it in case the fascists haven't seen it.
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There is one very particular case where the circle of trust could fail us, but I don't really want to mention it in case the fascists haven't seen it.
It must suck being you in this game. (not sarcasm, maybe mildly joking)

But yeah. Part of me wants to say "here is how I'm voting if I'm not here", but I don't want it to be info that fascists can use in making decisions.
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It must suck being you in this game. (not sarcasm, maybe mildly joking)

But yeah. Part of me wants to say "here is how I'm voting if I'm not here", but I don't want it to be info that fascists can use in making decisions.
Well, if I said 'here's what we have to avoid' then it's also like I'm saying 'hey fascists, here's how you save this.'
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Well, if I said 'here's what we have to avoid' then it's also like I'm saying 'hey fascists, here's how you save this.'
Yup, I absolutely get it. I think I'll enjoy talking about this after the game
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