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Old 08-14-2017, 06:29 PM
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In the grand scheme of things, sure. In practical terms, not really.

People in their personal lives are extremely careless with their own data, installing all sorts of questionable apps on the phones they do their banking on, using insecure connections, etc. If that's how they treat their own shit for the sake of convenience, they're not going to be more careful with their company's data.

An HBO/Sony-style hack needs to happen so that data security is actually taken seriously and people are forcibly trained not to be dumbasses. Nothing is going to change until something like that happens.
Yes, but these are people.

We're talking about major corporations making billions in revenue and net income annually. It's a huge embarrassment.
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Yes, but these are people.

We're talking about major corporations making billions in revenue and net income annually. It's a huge embarrassment.
I really really hate to bring Romney into this, but corporations are nothing more than their people.

If people aren't careful with their own data - either because they're ignorant or because they don't care - they're not going to be more careful with their company's data.

There's a price to be paid here, and I personally look forward the embarrassment and lawsuits emerging from a hack of such magnitude. All it will probably take is one tech savvy and extremely pissed off policyholder getting denied a claim.
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Old 08-14-2017, 06:50 PM
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I can't speak for others but my programming skills are completely self-taught.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:06 PM
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I can't speak for others but my programming skills are completely self-taught.
Anyone can teach themselves how to program, but the real question is can you teach yourself how to program well?
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Anyone can teach themselves how to program, but the real question is can you teach yourself how to program well?
As others have noted, you don't have to be able to do it well in an actuarial role. Sad but true.
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As others have noted, you don't have to be able to do it well in an actuarial role. Sad but true.
Do you think being a skilled computer programmer should be a requirement to being an actuary, then? I enjoy programming in my own mediocre way, but I certainly don't expect it of everybody.

If you have a programming project that needs a quality job done, you go to the experts. If you need to price a new coverage option, you go to a different expert. Nothing wrong or sad about that.
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Do you think being a skilled computer programmer should be a requirement to being an actuary, then? I enjoy programming in my own mediocre way, but I certainly don't expect it of everybody.

If you have a programming project that needs a quality job done, you go to the experts. If you need to price a new coverage option, you go to a different expert. Nothing wrong or sad about that.
Being an OK computer programmer should get you something IMO. Maybe a raise that disappears when you make manager. Same with Excel skills for that matter. It's not a requirement, but it certainly helps to have a couple experts in residence.
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Definitely. I see it as something that gets your foot in the door for certain roles, but it's not for everyone.
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Actuaries have different functions, and not all require programming. Do yourself and everybody else a favor and be a non-programming actuary (other than Excel, use Excel). You need to dedicate a lot of personal time honing your coding skills beyond the basics. Programming is essentially creative writing, so it's not something you'll do with any degree of effectiveness unless you have spent a bunch of time figuring out what works.

Spend your time honing your Excel skills, studying for exams, and learning about the profession, and getting internships. Like you said your program is rigorous so don't waste time on something you'll only be able to half-ass (use the time to become an Excel ninja instead).
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I took a c++ course in college, and then everything else was pretty much self-taught on the job. They give you a task, you think about how to get it done and then basically google each piece and put it together.
so in other words you suck. Because you made no mention whatsoever about thinking how the solution fits into your existing code base, or how the code will be maintained going forward when you're not around. OP, don't be like this fool.
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